From owner-cvs-all Wed Sep 4 7: 4:46 2002 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C03837B400; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8806D43E77; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:04:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@pobrecita.freebsd.ru) Received: from pobrecita.freebsd.ru (ache@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nagual.pp.ru (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84E4Lbq031002; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:04:24 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache@pobrecita.freebsd.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by pobrecita.freebsd.ru (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g84E4Exb031001; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:04:15 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:04:12 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: Maxim Sobolev , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, anholt@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontCyrillic Makefile distinfo ports/x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontCyrillic/files patch-crox1c.bdf patch-crox1cb.bdf patch-crox1cbo.bdf patch-crox1co.bdf patch-crox1h.bdf patch-crox1hb.bdf patch-crox1hbo.bdf patch-crox1ho.bdf ... Message-ID: <20020904140410.GA30776@nagual.pp.ru> References: <200209031042.g83AgFON078508@freefall.freebsd.org> <200209031928.24580.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> <20020904034232.GB25145@nagual.pp.ru> <200209040841.45490@aldan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200209040841.45490@aldan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 08:41:45 -0400, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > I'm afraid, you did not quite understand me. I don't suggest we install koi8-u > fonts and pretend (in fonts.dir), that they are koi8-r -- that would violate a > standard. What I advocate is to populate X11R6/lib/fonts/cyrillic/ with > koi8-u fonts instead of the koi8-r. Now, which standard does this violate? Why instead? Just add them there. koi8-r is Cyrillic subset too, at least. > The biggest confusion so far, has been Russian-only fonts installed as > Cyrillic. Strangely, it did not bother you... And yes, this problem IS Because they are Cyrillic subset. I appreciate any Cyrillic subset installed as Cyrillic, all of them, but not as replacement. I not see any reason for replacement, all fonts can be installed. > Exactly. So, please, cite the standard, that is violated by Maxim's recent > change. Not standards but common sense. > There are no standards covering this aspect of port names. Most (all?) names > of the ports installing fonts do not specify encodings. Cyrillic never meant > koi8-r -- except for some ignorant people -- and was never documented as > such. Maxim just brought the port closer to the reasonable expectations. Cyrillic means koi8-r, as subset. If I'll agree with your point of view, I immediately step in and replace koi8-u fonts with windows-1251 fonts which are Cyrillic, and you can't say anything. I told you, your "replacement" idea is very very bad. Nothing should replace anything. All things must co-exists. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message