From owner-freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 21:21:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: jail@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 161A8D4E for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 21:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elektropost.org (elektropost.org [217.115.13.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5222AC40 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 21:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 56738 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2015 21:21:37 -0000 Received: from elektropost.org (HELO elektropost.org) (erdgeist@erdgeist.org) by elektropost.org with ESMTPS (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted); 27 Jan 2015 21:21:37 -0000 Message-ID: <54C80145.3070201@erdgeist.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:21:09 +0100 From: Dirk Engling User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, Peter Toth Subject: Re: preferred jail management tool References: <20150127012347.GA4940@lonesome.com> <20150127141239.V77290@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <54C7958B.40007@gmail.com> <54C7C828.4070703@erdgeist.org> <14943.128.135.70.2.1422381245.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <54C7D371.9010609@erdgeist.org> <13934.128.135.70.2.1422383293.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <54C7F109.2040405@erdgeist.org> <54C7FF2D.2070802@quip.cz> In-Reply-To: <54C7FF2D.2070802@quip.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: jail@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about FreeBSD jail\(8\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 21:21:41 -0000 On 27.01.15 22:12, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > Yes. Sometimes I have a feeling that jails or some other features are > unwanted children. I had PR opened for years with patche to rc.d/jail or > etc/rc.subr to incorporate nice, or cpuset. And it never found it's way > to the tree. How's that possible? I felt similarly frustrated when I went to 2013's BSDCan trying to talk to the "jaily people" and noone was around. Jamie couldn't attend but said that he's busy with other stuff and couldn't commit time to jail development. Which, of course, is fine. It leaves a void, though. What good are features that are neither documented nor exposed to the users? How do we move on from here and get config and docs synchronized and where can I get a big picture of what's the big plan for the future? erdgeist