From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 10 16:17:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706F416A403 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:17:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: from gdead.mooseriver.com (gdead.mooseriver.com [205.166.121.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E1213C448 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:17:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: by gdead.mooseriver.com (Postfix, from userid 2010) id 3E2D03C8622; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:17:27 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on gdead.mooseriver.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from mooseriver.com (h-66-166-146-73.snvacaid.covad.net [66.166.146.73]) by gdead.mooseriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A575E3C7E52; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:17:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by mooseriver.com (Postfix, from userid 200) id 6EE052EB4FB; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:17:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:17:21 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: Jerry McAllister Message-ID: <20070110161721.GA68022@mooseriver.com> References: <45A2805E.7060000@ccstores.com> <20070109222558.GA75695@xor.obsecurity.org> <20070110003730.GA94711@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20070110154436.GA97702@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070110154436.GA97702@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Organization: Moose River, LLC Cc: Nikolas Britton , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:17:27 -0000 --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:44:36AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 12:01:51AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: >=20 > > On 1/9/07, Jerry McAllister wrote: > >=20 > > >FreeBSD is created and supported by volunteers. > > >Seems like you just posted a nice list of things > > >for you to get busy and contribute. > > > > >=20 > > I don't have time to contribute work, I have a business to manage as > > well as other obligations that come first... I need this stuff to just > > work... so I can get real things done. >=20 > Yah, well the people doing it are also busy and working at things > which are supposed to make them a living. Most make their > FreeBSD contribution work on the side - in addition to their > paying jobs although some are in the fortunate position of working > for someone who recognizes it as also contributing to their > productivity on the job. >=20 > There are many ways to contribute. Not all are writing code. > Some are in documentation and in other services. And, although > it is a volunteer project, it does require money to support such=20 > things as servers and test machines and network access. >=20 > So, if you cannot contribute time and effort and your business is > so valuable, then consider contributing money - to support someone > to work in the project, at least part time. >=20 > If you only want to get something for nothing, then you live > in the wrong world. Hear, hear. Nikolas, there are many things that FreeBSD need, a large number of them do not require programming. As a Christian here is a saying that I'm sure you are familiar with, "It's better to light one candle than to curse the darkness". So brother Nikolas, what candles have you lit today? You certainly have produced a lot of smoke. One of the things you could have done instead of wasting your and our time on this thrash is to sit down a write a detailed description of some of the things you find lacking in FreeBSD. By detailed I mean a series of bullet points that describe what is the problem, what you tried, what your setup was, OS version, hardware configuration, etc. This would be a whole lot more helpful than standing on a street corner and screaming, "FreeBSD is FUCKED! Linux is taking over!" Many hands make lite work. Are you going to lend a hand or are you going to stand on the sidelines and tell us how we are screwing up. If it is going to be the latter please go away, we have more than our fair share of Monday morning quarterbacks. Josef --=20 Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 6.1 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | Berkeley, Ca. --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFFpRGQy8prLS1GYSERAg+WAJ9RJIEDcPinC/nxv26ygmPPKo4w9gCg6Fu8 5EX+iCCIYy5hpTH9UxWCoXo= =Zwfj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq--