From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 28 17:53:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07889 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:53:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07797 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:52:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA22688; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:52:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:52:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199806290052.SAA22688@softweyr.com> Subject: Re: Does it's true? From: Wes Peters To: eivind@yes.no, fpawlak@execpc.com, drifter@stratos.net Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: Wes Peters In-Reply-To: <19980627211308.B392@stratos.net> References: <19980627211308.B392@stratos.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 1.6 (TrialWare) X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id RAA07822 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My hidden microphone recorded (drifter@stratos.net) saying: % People kill because they are bad, not because of people like % Charlton Heston talking about gun rights all of the time. I am not % a member of the NRA, and don't even own a firearm. (The only time I % ever shot off one was a time I went skeet shooting -- hit the first % clay pigeon and then went 0 for 29!) But I am sick and tired of them % being blamed for crimes committed by murderers who lack decency and % respect for human life. People kill mostly because their mothers and fathers didn't teach them it is WRONG. We could argue about WHY their mothers and fathers failed to teach them the most important lesson life has to offer, but that is another discussion. % I am not an expert on gun history, but I believe gun laws were % more lax in the earlier part of the century (please correct me if I am % wrong), yet violence was also not as rampant. Maybe because people % these days care less and less about right and wrong? You'd certainly think so, wouldn't you? Actually, the murder rate in the United States has been constant (deaths per thousand caused by murder) since the Census Bureau first starting tracking such things, in the 1890-1900 decade. It's declined a tiny bit since the high in the 1910-1920 Census, but by only about 0.1%. % > Eivind, who comes from the country in the world with the second % > highest count of guns per person and with 1 killing per 100,000 % > citizens per year. % % There. Now we've covered gun control, the death penalty, and % abortion. Sweat shops anybody :) And, since you brought up the legalize murder of unborn infants, suddenly the murder rate in Norway is MUCH HIGHER than that in the United States. Remember, there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message