From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 16 14:19:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pop04.iname.net (pop04.iname.net [165.251.8.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F921542E for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:18:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r15.bfm.org [208.18.213.111]) by pop04.iname.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id RAA18478 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990416161503.0092d260@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:15:03 -0500 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Applications In-Reply-To: <19990415231413.A47332@ontario.mooseriver.com> References: <199904160601.XAA88836@rah.star-gate.com> <19990415224102.A47059@ontario.mooseriver.com> <199904160601.XAA88836@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 23:14 15-04-1999 -0700, Josef Grosch wrote: >I think the problem is a lot of FreeBSD people want to be kernel hackers and >don't want to get their hands dirty with double-entry bookkeeping, >warehouse, order-entry, or assent management systems. There is just not a >lot of glory in the hacker world for these kinds of programs. Hmmm... I have been writing applications for a long time (started programming in 1965). One of the first things I did when I got FreeBSD late last year was to write some tools. I mentioned that at one of the mailgroups, and received a lot of yawns in return. Indeed, any time I mention in any FreeBSD list that I wrote some program, I get a lot of negative replies, assuring me no one will ever need them and non-sense like that. Then I discovered freshmeat.net and announced my programs there. I received thousands of visitors from there, mostly Linuxites. I always get instant feedback from them. For example, version 2.0 of my Graphic Counter Language had some FreeBSD-specific code which made it impossible to compile under Linux. I received email from a Linux user who pointed out where exactly the problem was, and offered to test my software to make sure it compiles and runs under Linux. I have since made two or three submissions to the ports collection. I received an automated reply with a number assigned to them. That was last I heard of them (this was about a month ago). The idea behind one of these port submissions was that it was a library needed to a number of i18n tools I have developed since. These tools all need the library. But I cannot release them to the ports collection (although I find it silly to call them "ports" since I developed them on and for FreeBSD), I cannot release them because the library is still not in the ports collection, and they need the library. Meanwhile, I announced them all on freshmeat.net. They always get announced the next day, and my site is swamped by people downloading them. They use them, too, judging from the email I keep getting. So, it is rather ironic: I have developed tools for FreeBSD and am unable to submit them, while they are already being used by Linuxites all over the world. Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message