From owner-cvs-all Wed Mar 14 9:11:57 2001 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66B437B718; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:11:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14596; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24972; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:11:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15023.42546.30738.1117@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:11:14 -0700 (MST) To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: phk@critter.freebsd.dk, grog@lemis.com, rwatson@FreeBSD.org, imp@harmony.village.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Core's function (was: The Project and onward [was: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c]) In-Reply-To: <20010313134342A.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> References: <20010313123603Y.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <10215.984516433@critter> <20010313134342A.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I have no small amount of faith in what our volounteers can do, but > > having studied my history, I know that most if not all instances of > > a mass-effort has been directed by one or a very few persons who have > > set a goal, waved a flag and issued the battlecry... > > I actually agree, I just see no reason why those few flag-waving > individuals need to come exclusively from core (or as a side-effect of > some sort of core mandate) at all. During our almost 9 years of > history, I've seen more of those folks come from out of "nowhere" than > I have seen them come from the "center" of the FreeBSD project. True, but if 'core' gave it's blessing to those folks instead of sitting back and not getting involved until long *after* the flag-waving individual has been so beaten down that they leave in disgust, we may get more done. Core *is* the perceived leadership group in FreeBSD, and you're it's de-facto leader. Being un-involved in the process implies apathy at *your* level, which doesn't do anything to motivate the troops... Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message