From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 19:07:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387B0106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EF98FC0C for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:07:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd4ml1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.141]) by pd2mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 12:07:47 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=ArlOFnIDZ56P-wg5SCcA:9 a=AVjKmPe3bDNMgknMTrUA:7 a=Z3ToN5TsAXIPH9mUNWKehMtmHKAA:4 a=7Dsci7dhZp0A:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd4ml1so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 12:07:47 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2381701E for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:07:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:07:45 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:07:48 -0000 On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:11:48 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > I don't recall anyone saying "I'm with such-and-such a FreeBSD > development team, and these are the reasons we aren't going to do > anything about that at this time:". > i don't either, but these development teams do exist: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/index.html and so does a mechanism for initiating projects: "If you feel that a project is missing, please send the URL and a short description (3-10 lines) to www@FreeBSD.org." and i guess as tyson explained there needs to be a balancing of limited resources. > On the other hand, their statements *do* imply that *my* position is > illegitimate in some way > i don't think so. it's more along the lines of "we don't need this in light of the priorities". however, i do think michael powell makes a very good point about "setting a very dangerous precedent" by ending up allowing "third parties to have the ability to dictate to the devs what code goes into FreeBSD?" this is quite possibly a legitimate concern. > Some people don't know that, and are basically told to go > away by some people when they bring it up. Still other people > suggest alternate approaches to fixing the problem, and are also > basically told to go away, when a more appropriate response would be > to say "I think you should talk to the people at the swfdec and gnash > projects about that," in most cases. > ok so here's a solution. whenever someone tells people to go away (i don't think it has been done quite that way, but i see little point in going into that here), surely others can point to those who are in the appropriate projects. that way you have the choice of pursuing the matter or seeking an alternative os. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's