From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 23 14:49:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E8F16A4CF; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:49:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF1A43D39; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:49:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (junior-wifi.samsco.home [192.168.0.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NErHd7042752; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:53:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <40D99891.20300@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:49:53 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040304 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maxim Sobolev References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040621135534.068fef40@server01.chassis00.xsnetworks.net> <40D7E0B7.1000905@portaone.com> <40D8D217.5000808@freebsd.org> <40D95FDC.9060802@portaone.com> <40D997A4.9050900@portaone.com> In-Reply-To: <40D997A4.9050900@portaone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=3.8 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on pooker.samsco.org cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: Eric Veraart cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HostRaid support on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:49:59 -0000 Maxim Sobolev wrote: > Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > >> Maxim Sobolev writes: >> >>> Well, my knowelege about internals of software RAID controllers is >>> quite limited, but as long as I know they are no more than BIOS with >>> UI for setting up RAIDs and interface to main BIOS that hides internal >>> RAID structure allowing to boot off the RAID. Also they provide some >>> persistent storage for RAID configuration, I assume either in some >>> controller's NVRAM or on the HDDs. >> >> >> >> The configuration is always stored on-disk, otherwise it wouldn't be >> possible to recover from controller failure. >> >> >>> Therefore, the same set of GEOM >>> RAID modules can work with different software RAID controllers (SCSI, >>> ATA, SATA etc) if there will be a standard way to extract this info >>> from the controller's driver, and present it in some common >>> format. That's what I am talking about. >> >> >> >> You're kicking down open doors. This problem has already been solved >> for Vinum, which is conceptually identical from a GEOM point of view. > > > Nah. As I said there should be some standard way to extract RAID > configuration info out of controller's driver in controller-independent > format. > > -Maxim > Correct, and vinum lacks this. My goal with RAIDframe was to provide this, but I had to abandon it due to lack of time. Scott