From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 9 09:11:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1322E1630 for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 09:11:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philipp@bureaucracy.de) Received: from bureaucracy.bureaucracy.de (bureaucracy.bureaucracy.de [IPv6:2a02:180:1:1::517:b8d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "bureaucracy.bureaucracy.de", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49K1dv4QVJz4TXP for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 09:11:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philipp@bureaucracy.de) Received: from hell (localhost [::1]) by bureaucracy.bureaucracy.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id bc583a78 for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 11:11:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (hell [local]) by hell (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id 857da1a4 for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 09:11:05 +0000 (UTC) From: satanist To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux In-reply-to: <20200508185327.00007397@seibercom.net> References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <20200508185327.00007397@seibercom.net> Comments: In-reply-to Jerry message dated "Fri, 08 May 2020 18:53:27 -0400." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-ID: <31566.1589015465.1@hell> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 11:11:05 +0200 Message-Id: <0d05d7a2b8c8943b@hell> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49K1dv4QVJz4TXP X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.32 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 09:11:16 -0000 [2020-05-08 18:53] Jerry > On Fri, 8 May 2020 22:46:55 +0200, Tomasz CEDRO commented: > >pt., 8 maj 2020, 17:35 u=C5=BCytkownik Jerry napis= a=C5=82: > >Maybe if software vendors cared more about open standards, testing and > >support for Open-Source platforms, instead "works for me buy my stuff" > >or "time to market test on users or forget" shortcuts, we would not > >have such problems like the videoconferencing just showed up two days > >ago. > > > >I guess there may be a positive outcome if there is a strong demand and > >push from Open-Source community. We can make things work with a bit of > >support and good will from vendor. We all know how it works but I send > >good wishes so it happens :-) > > > >Best regards :-) > >Tomek > > Both "Zoom" and "MS Teams" are working fine in my Win10 machine. I have > never tried to get them to work on FreeBSD, and I have no idea why I > would want to. Maybe you have heard of it, but some people use FreeBSD as there only desktop OS. So you no support for FreeBSD means totally no support. > You claim you want better support, yet you obviously have little or no > desire to pay for it. Screaming at a vendor, "We want more free stuff." > is probably not going to endear you to anyone. Someone has to pay the > bills. Let me adjust your point of view a bit. My course are replaced by Zoom and MS Teams, because of corona. Not all of them get recorded. So if I want to take these course I have to use these services. So my University pays for the Service and I can't[0] use. Your claim "We want more free stuff." sounds like an insult[1] to me. I couldn't find the page to order a specialized client and I don't get why I need one. For conferencing you can perfectly use SIP/VoIP, for streaming there is HLS and some other protocols. So why do I need a js blob which only works on chrome or a binary build only for Windows and Linux to use MS Teams or Zoom? I just want to have the freedom to choose my software. So if someone offer an service, the bare minimum[2] should be to support standard browser. The hole ``cloud'' business model drives me crazy. You don't create a protocol, write a client and a server anymore. You write a server with a private API, an app and maybe a website. Then sell this as service or make it free with adds for personal use. With this model I'm totally locket in to the vendor. I have no way to replace any part of the system without going to a completely different service. Using a different service is in some cases not even possible. satanist [0] and don't like to, but this is an other discussion [1] I know it wasn't meant to be, at least not in this way it sounds to me [2] Why do I even have to discuss this?