From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 2 06:25:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B86E16A41F for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 06:25:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D823B43D45 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 06:25:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1EXC3b-000Bp4-Q6; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:25:11 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:25:11 -0700 To: Ted Mittelstaedt X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Danny Pansters , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:25:13 -0000 On Nov 1, 2005, at 11:13 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> >> And I am not trying to argue and make claims about how inexcusable it >> is either. I merely pointed out to Ted that he is not in the FreeBSD >> project and therefore does not have say. >> > > Chad this is bullshit. First of all the ENTIRE point of this new > logo is > to increase USE of FreeBSD among the people that allegedly will not > use it because of religious "devil" objections. IN SHORT, this logo > is FOR THE USERS, NOT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE PROJECT. This is factually incorrect. The purpose of having a logo to replace the mascot as a logo was to project a more professional image. And that is for the people in the project who want to see FreeBSD taken more seriously as well as for the users. Beastie is a toy and unprofessional. He is fun and can be a great mascot. But he is not a logo. As a similar example: Apple Computer used to have a nice multi- colored Apple logo. It was nice, but kind of toy-like and got old. Apple replaced it with a much more professional looking modernized one-color version. There was nothing wrong with the old version except that it got old and dated and looked unprofessional and more toy-like. Same (generally speaking) is needed with FreeBSD. FreeBSD needs to take a step upwards and become more professional looking. So think a lot of users and obviously project members. There is a minority who is offended by Beastie. I can't help that. A logo coincidentally solves their problem as well, but that is not the main point. If you think so you need to pull your head out of your dogmatic sandpile. Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad@shire.net