From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 11 14:04:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8DF1065677 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:04:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hsu@wlansystems.com) Received: from mail.bbnetworks.net (mail.bbnetworks.net [212.16.96.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EDC8FC12 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:04:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hsu@wlansystems.com) Received: from hsu.bbnetworks.net (hsu.bbnetworks.net [212.16.96.38]) by mail.bbnetworks.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m5BE4mB3096078; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:04:48 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from hsu@wlansystems.com) Message-ID: <484FDBF9.7010700@wlansystems.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:06:49 +0300 From: Heikki Suonsivu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080423) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Manolis Kiagias References: <484FA0BF.9000402@wlansystems.com> <484FB168.1070900@otenet.gr> In-Reply-To: <484FB168.1070900@otenet.gr> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050907060500010608070800" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mail.bbnetworks.net [212.16.96.5]); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:04:48 +0300 (EEST) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-like linux distro? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:04:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050907060500010608070800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops, sorry, I was not specific enough: FreeBSD 4 or older NetBSD are no go: The computer I am doing this is not old, it is otherwise brand new, but it uses an embedded cpu, a 486 clone as SoC without math. See www.compactpc.com.tw, eBOX 2300SX. It is very low cost, runs on about 3W of power with CF card as mass memory, 128M, 3 USB2, serials, sound, etc, it has VESA form factor so you can attach it behind many LCD displays, etc. They have beefier models, but this one is cheapest and uses least power, latter of which is the more critical requirement for us. We would like to use it for certain control applications. Linux works, has been tested, but requires patches (turn math emulation on, add support for built-in ethernet, bug workaround). The problem with is that while FreeBSD 4 seemed to boot on it, it did not recognize any peripherals as they are new. Old OS's are not really what we want, this is not one-off but volume product, it will be internet-connected so we need bugfixes and we need support for latest chipsets on 802.11 cards etc. There is another similar CPU, even slower and less power consuming, I do not remember the part number, I think it was about 100 MHz 486 without math as well. This was some manufacturer of microcontrollers. Heikki Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Heikki Suonsivu wrote: >> I need to get something to run on x86 computers which do not contain >> math in hardware, and FreeBSD dropped non-math cpus long time ago. >> NetBSD did the same, so Linux seems to be the only possibility. >> >> So, the question: >> >> What is the linux distro which is closest to FreeBSD in terms of >> installation and use. A linux with basic userland and ports(-like) >> system, and quick and easy install like FreeBSD ? >> >> Heikki Suonsivu >> > > I don't think you will have much luck installing any modern linux distro > on ancient hardware. In your case, I would consider running an older > version of FreeBSD, like e.g. 4.11. This will work without a math > co-processor. You can see the hardware notes here: > > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.11R/hardware-i386.html > > Download from ftp-archive, here: > > ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.11 > > > See also this very interesting post on minimum memory requirements for > each FreeBSD version: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2006-August/011029.html > > I have a 4.11 installed successfully on a 386 with 20Mb RAM. > > You could also go with a Linux version specifically for old PCs, but > better have a look at distrowatch.com for these. > > > --------------050907060500010608070800--