From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 10 06:51:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBF00BAB for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 06:51:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94079C62 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 06:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id s2A6os0S002178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 06:50:55 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk s2A6os0S002178 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1394434255; bh=tooXDkMCGzj9kPKUuU6WM9WuyTYbWdCC2Mim7B6espU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Mon,=2010=20Mar=202014=2006:50:44=20+0000|From:=20Matthew =20Seaman=20|To:=20freebsd-questi ons@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20FreeBSD=2010=20+=20Apache=20+=20P HP|References:=20=20<15A20437-032F-421D-BF2A-503E71F63E70@shaw.c a>=20=20<55998E68-F3A7-4508-91C4-424536FAA494@shaw.ca>|In- Reply-To:=20<55998E68-F3A7-4508-91C4-424536FAA494@shaw.ca>; b=XxoAOh64a8IEoGMdcfwYn8COs4jxzBbdDt0evnQWdAevkSQ0gn33P0YD2WE3a8VhA 1GIAii9UiRoil6OrBOrTLksYg1v8v7yevtHwFDKHfzMo+SHa/au4fgL056nZnjhwmh KZKi3wj6Nr5h/jiEFZyVBDwpa2j0lugmNmpCy6ZE= Message-ID: <531D60C4.1020903@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 06:50:44 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10 + Apache + PHP References: <15A20437-032F-421D-BF2A-503E71F63E70@shaw.ca> <55998E68-F3A7-4508-91C4-424536FAA494@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <55998E68-F3A7-4508-91C4-424536FAA494@shaw.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 OpenPGP: id=E7F39EBF Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dSHU4mWwtKPalvfclwUTovPPqxAhaeOvj" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.1 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 06:51:23 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --dSHU4mWwtKPalvfclwUTovPPqxAhaeOvj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/03/2014 04:40, Dale Scott wrote: >> I too want to manage hosts exclusively with binary packages. In the a= bsence >> > of a working a Poudriere implementation, it appears I will have to i= nstall it via ports. :( > I don't see how Poudriere would help in this situation (but I also > don't know how Poudriere works). I just have one real server and a > couple of dev vm's. It doesn't feel it would be worthwhile to have a > local Poudriere repo, update it, rebuild the packages, and then > finally update my couple servers, when I couldjust "pkg upgrade" on > each server (if I can go 100% packages). Am I missing something? poudriere is the answer right now to the problem of wanting to use binary packages but finding that the default packages from pkg.freebsd.org are not built with the correct set of options. Eventually we will have sub-packages and other improvements to the way binary package management happens, so that binary packages become a lot more flexible, but those changes depend on the final demise of the pkg_tools and some of the current work on pkg(8) being released. It's going to take months (at best) before this problem is addressed effective= ly. Until then, building your own pkgs using poudriere allows you all the speed and convenience of using a package repository with the flexibility to set your own options. You can mix local poudriere built packages with official FreeBSD packages -- you do need to make sure your ports tree is fairly close to the version used in the official builds, maybe by tracking the 2014Q1 branch. Running poudriere is not hugely onerous. Once you've got it set up, you can pretty much set up cron jobs to run the builds you want and leave it to do its thing with little additional attention required. Even if you only have a very few machines to maintain, poudriere will alleviate the amount of time and effort you need to put into doing that. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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