From owner-cvs-all Wed Mar 14 12:32:28 2001 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81B737B718; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:32:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2EKWDg02447; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:32:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:32:13 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Nate Williams Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Core's function (was: The Project and onward [was: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c]) Message-ID: <20010314123213.A2341@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org References: <10215.984516433@critter> <20010313134342A.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <15023.42546.30738.1117@nomad.yogotech.com> <20010314105913O.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <15023.49981.504894.198797@nomad.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15023.49981.504894.198797@nomad.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 12:15:09PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 12:15:09PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > Core's lack of involvement is allowing this behavior to continue. > Core's involvement would *a* solution, not necessarily the only > solution, or even the full solution. Many of us do not want the Core of the past where there was a ruling eleet. And I think that has been reflected in the current Core. I agree with JKH here -- it does not have to be Core to do something. It could be *anyone*. In fact the right person to do the things you are looking for, should be chosen much more for their personality and charisma, than being being elected to an administrative body. > Again, using your analogy above, should the teachers refuse to get > involved with the process and wait until *after* the shootings have > occurred? Core is the the "teachers", committers are. I resent putting Core high up on a worship pedestal for committers to bow down at. > That's what you're implying above. Core is the over-sight > committee, and by getting involved *earlier* they can have a positive > effect on the discussions, and try to help out the discussions so that > the bullys don't end up taking over the school. :) This positive affect should come from committers as a whole. Granted committers often don't speak up. So you should be encouraging them, not hounding Core to do something no longer on their list of responsibilities. > I never said. I'm saying that 'individuals' do, but the core as a whole > doesn't. When core individuals get involved, they do it as themselves, And that is how it should be most of the time. > However, what I believe Jeroen is asking for is 'direction' and > 'blessing'. I did not read that to mean a blessing and direction from Core, but from FreeBSD as a whole. Any gifted and talented committer with the time and respect of others can fill this role. > Blood and talent don't know *IF* what they are doing will be accepted, > so unless they have direction. The direction and acceptance comes from committers. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX Disclaimer: Not speaking for FreeBSD, just expressing my own opinion. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message