From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 21 16:00:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB57C16A41A for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from minimarmot@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C6613C468 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from minimarmot@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so874475nzf for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:00:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uK2g61nl7kTsBIQeF9d3pZbB34slUaII95r8Zlkm5jK4oP/AK8wjUOvk2fhtK0F04ioouOKlpCa09zKkGOqFHvlr6ZAcxjIRKIPdNcAsWti2ydVgs/RWB/xq6OV52S3DCH/RPmNlQccPbemnPsJXWXe6PA65suKXvTHus+gxLq0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bRuqxp5m5TINXq8RTLdq2sGZjyEzrPKu0WsixAdsOZWN9m93jg1zGiF7WqWBBXu5zpM/QS0KrXk9+lq806aIfQiQC/tDGjEqIpn5nedMvTOHABBHugvi2GT4QNpv4o3toBca9fwuR41j0kXuSHkzFJkMKz08tDmReHAJppTyOP4= Received: by 10.142.101.17 with SMTP id y17mr109719wfb.1185033612320; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.1.8 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47d0403c0707210900q2978ea1ej60b5ee3516fe1f32@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:00:12 -0500 From: "Ben Kaduk" To: "Michael Nottebrock" , blackend@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <46A1F344.60901@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47d0403c0707191450g4a80b549r6e0c2276b8fd4792@mail.gmail.com> <20070720093740.GA1002@gothic.blackend.org> <47d0403c0707200735l4bd84696jdbb829eebf92ae04@mail.gmail.com> <46A1F344.60901@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audio CD's in SCSI drives -- syntax? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:00:14 -0000 On 7/21/07, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > Ben Kaduk schrieb: > >> > >> There is another tool for ripping audio CD with SCSI drives: audio/tosha > >> I find tosha easier to use than cdda2wav, but this requires to install > >> another app and since cdda2wav is part of sysutils/cdrtools ... > > > > For now, I think I'll keep the handbook only mentioning cdda2wave -- > > the text is confused enough as is. > I think it might be worthwhile throwing out cdda2wav as the reference > tool completely and instead rewrite the tutorial to feature cdparanoia, > which is pretty much the state of the art ripping utilitiy these days > (and has been even longer on Linux), works with device names rather than > unit numbers for SCSI drives as well, does in fact not require the > specification of any device by default as it will autoscan for devices > and just use the first one it finds and finally is used as the ripping > backend by nearly all modern GUI ripping utilities. That is an interesting thought. I'm pretty sure that I used cdparanonia (and not cdda2wav) the last time I needed to rip CDs. > > The mp3 player paragraph probably could do with a rewrite as well, > although it might be hard to come up with a substitute to XMMS - not > because XMMS is so great and popular still, but mostly because there is > so much more choice now. mpg123 on the other hand is very outdated and > should probably be substituted with madplay. I will look at madplay. > > Finally, if you want to look at the big picture, the whole section 7.3 > is somewhat outdated and in need of a rewrite, given that there are > plenty of popular alternatives to mp3 available, including lossless > compressors, and mp3 itself is encumbered by that patent and the lame > port is thus restricted. It seems to me that re-dedicating section 7.3 > to CD backups (with mentioning the possible formats to backup to) might > be the way to go. Of course, that's all easy to say for me who never > writes any documentation, but just in case someone reads this and feels > inspired ... I will not argue with you that the entire section needs a re-write. I would probably prefer to call it ``audio playback and file conversion'', though (akin to ``video playback''). Marc, what do you think? -Ben Kaduk > > Cheers, > -- > ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org > (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org > \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org > > > >