From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 6 15:17:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39D79BF8; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 15:17:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x233.google.com (mail-wg0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 759E92CB8; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 15:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id x12so310332wgg.10 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2014 08:17:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=dK4snOmNFjyE3pqRQayXIFQCq8bNdcimrMLYeeVeiOc=; b=gXHLal3W94IckldMyGIl1fbcpuGHAuAq/MjUdc0WH0Y7JApiubUViynO/N0f5sVxV9 S6o2CYAZU5pPju0qMZaKQuN50qx1ehIl1OcqgFAvRiJD7B6YfxGujmB1FYg76cDl/wha B0/G4u4/UPiyoYwYeOqabCBmuwe/1UUEi6OOxNezVpP7nd7oKCeVltVFJ8GuNZEcqJy7 S5LEu2/cDu+wxh8/5ng1XAr3VXzgnXlKPlc4Y4IKo07kDMFV8u8bgWyUNWI5Yj1ZOIog BkqNxP4CgZUOxFoKArKR7p6QXA/fZf1YNZL3SzqAi0bpqEtYLROrp8w2DZdcftJPo6Rc 3SVA== X-Received: by 10.194.133.1 with SMTP id oy1mr5663867wjb.87.1402067863687; Fri, 06 Jun 2014 08:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ivaldir.etoilebsd.net ([2001:41d0:8:db4c::1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id um7sm11049715wjc.12.2014.06.06.08.17.41 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 06 Jun 2014 08:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Baptiste Daroussin Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 17:17:40 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: Paul Schmehl Subject: Re: Who was the mental genius Message-ID: <20140606151739.GC73493@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> References: <5390E62E.6090807@madpilot.net> <6CEF0183772C97582B196466@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <539130B3.9030604@freebsd.org> <8CA324878D330942AB8AE0B3@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <5391611A.3090406@marino.st> <53917957.2020909@freebsd.org> <53917A30.8050504@marino.st> <18E02559D230ED6DF11C040A@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="m51xatjYGsM+13rf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <18E02559D230ED6DF11C040A@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: Michael Gmelin , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Alfred Perlstein X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 15:17:46 -0000 --m51xatjYGsM+13rf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 06, 2014 at 09:34:26AM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On June 6, 2014 at 10:51:04 AM +0200 Michael Gmelin =20 > wrote: >=20 > > > > > >> On 06 Jun 2014, at 10:22, John Marino wrot= e: > >> > >>> On 6/6/2014 10:18, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > >>> Sure, but really a couple of lines to warn people and wave them towar= ds > >>> next steps is probably advisable next time. > >> > >> Maybe we can alter the "uname -a" string to show the EOL so that every > >> time the machine boots you see it on top of the MOTD. > >> > >> :) > >> > >> Of course, that won't help for the turn-on-and-forget servers with > >> uptime measured in years... > >> > >> As a serious questions, where should such a "you have X months/days > >> remaining before server is EOL, update before then" messages pop up? > >> weekly cron messages sent to root? > > > > periodic/security/450-check_eol ?(info if < 90 days left, error if past > > eol) > > >=20 > EOL notification is not the problem. The problem is breaking ports at EO= L.=20 > That's a special circumstance and begs for notification. This isn't rock= et=20 > science. >=20 > For at least two months now this notification has been popping up every= =20 > time I work on ports. >=20 > /!\ WARNING /!\ > pkg_install EOL is scheduled for 2014-09-01. Please consider migrating to= =20 > pkgng > http://blogs.freebsdish.org/portmgr/2014/02/03/time-to-bid-farewell-to-th= e-old-pkg_-tools/ > If you do not want to see this message again set=20 > NO_WARNING_PKG_INSTALL_EOL=3Dyes in your make.conf >=20 > Do you think I would miss the 9/1 deadline? Not a chance. But the advan= ce=20 > warning gives me time to plan the change when it's convenient for me. >=20 > This change has me scrambling to adapt. Granted, it only took me a few= =20 > minutes to figure out what to do, but not everyone has the background and= =20 > experience to do that. Some will simply panic. Others will switch to=20 > Linux. >=20 > That doesn't seem like a goal FreeBSD should support. The mental genius is me apparently (thanks for the kind words, btw) I'm responsible for both the pkg_install EOL message and for breaking ports tree with older make (btw you can recover with installing manually bmake). Yes it would have been a good idea to give a warning to the user about the = fact that the ports tree won't be support long on after EOL of 8.3, given the po= rts tree will break again quite soon after EOL of 8.4 I should think about addi= ng such a message right now (btw this is not that easy in the case we are talk= ing about because I have no way to differentiate a fmake with support for :tl f= rom a fmake without support for :tu same goes for :tu) hence it is hard to print a message. Concerning breaking after 8.4 EOL it might be easier. The reason why I haven't added a warning like I did for pkg_install is that: 1. it is hard to detect when to print the warning (more complicated that on= e can imagine first) 2. freebsd-update is already issueing a warning about EOL coming soon so I = would have expected user to already know when EOL is coming and/or getting the in= fo =66rom freebsd-update. regards, Bapt --m51xatjYGsM+13rf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlOR25MACgkQ8kTtMUmk6EzLbwCdH3mO7l3lnr3FrqS1L4inXeho RJsAn2mksdq0Vhmenc5draT0AM1XFxOs =38Hb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --m51xatjYGsM+13rf--