From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 22:15:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C949216A4BF for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from babyruth.hotpop.com (babyruth.hotpop.com [204.57.55.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A6743FB1 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:15:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com) Received: from hotpop.com (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EAA9C21C148 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 05:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fortytwo. (ip68-109-49-234.lu.dl.cox.net [68.109.49.234]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AF1031800A9; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 05:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 05:13:34 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: Randi Harper Message-Id: <20030902051334.6de9da27.kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com> In-Reply-To: <257847B8-DCEA-11D7-BDAD-000393D46EC6@freebsdgirl.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030901193303.02a3ddc0@localhost> <257847B8-DCEA-11D7-BDAD-000393D46EC6@freebsdgirl.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- cc: chad@gcatt.org cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 05:15:53 -0000 On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:07:03 -0400 Randi Harper wrote: > My mom runs FreeBSD. ;) Cool, I set my sister up with a FreeBSD box and Windowmaker awhile back. It has worked out well for her. > A desktop of it's own? Let's clarify something here. Having something > like gnome or KDE doesn't qualify something as being a 'desktop' or > not. Surely you can recall the days before gnome and KDE were popular. > What did we use then? Window Maker? Enlightenment? KDE was somewhat > popular, but it didn't have the momentum it has now. Yes, those are > aimed at the Linux people. And for what it's worth, let them have it. > gnome and KDE are the toilet paper of the stinky gas station bathroom > that is X11, in my opinion. > > GTK, an integral part of gnome, works fine in FreeBSD. Instead of > people just sitting on their butts and whining 'I need a GUI, I need > things to click on, I want something that does stuff for me so I can be > a freaking moron but still be able to brag about my uname -a on IRC', > wouldn't it make sense to code one? I realize that's easier said than > done, but it really isn't that difficult to code with GTK/GLib at all, > and in doing so we'd stick with a look and feel that everyone is > familiar with and is well supported and integrated into a variety of > applications. GTK is nice. I am begining to look at it a bit, myself. > If there's one thing I've noticed by (mostly) idling on this mailing > list, it's that people love to say "we need this", and "it should be > this way", or "someone should code this", but no one ever wants to put > forth the time to help. It's complete BS. Well, here it is, for what > it's worth. I'm willing to put time into this if someone is willing to > help. I'd do it on my own, but I've only been doing GTK coding for a > few months. My C is mediocre at best, and my understanding of the way > X11 handles things is nil. From what I've read, the X11 standard is > complete trash, and I'm not delving into that alone. And if no one > wants to step forward to help, none of you have anywhere to stand in > this discussion. X11 rulz. I personally like how it handles things and the methodology behind it. The lack of a specific way of creating a GUI is really nice.