From owner-freebsd-rc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 21:51:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E4916A41B; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:51:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@gahr.ch) Received: from cpanel03.rubas-s03.net (cpanel03.rubas-s03.net [195.182.222.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07B713C458; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:51:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@gahr.ch) Received: from 80-218-180-150.dclient.hispeed.ch ([80.218.180.150] helo=gahrtop.localhost) by cpanel03.rubas-s03.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Iee1n-00063F-6t; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:51:11 +0200 Message-ID: <470954C7.4060904@gahr.ch> Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:51:03 +0200 From: Pietro Cerutti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070808) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Barton , freebsd-rc@freebsd.org References: <200710012040.l91KeC2t097859@freefall.freebsd.org> <47022870.7030607@gahr.ch> <4703A8B6.80803@gahr.ch> <4706B42B.20207@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4706B42B.20207@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 OpenPGP: id=9571F78E; url=http://www.gahr.ch/pgp Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig26500EF22A39AEE23E626D00" X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cpanel03.rubas-s03.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gahr.ch X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Subject: Re: conf/105568: [patch] Add more flexibility to rc.conf, to choose "_enable" values at startup X-BeenThere: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion related to /etc/rc.d design and implementation." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 21:51:13 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig26500EF22A39AEE23E626D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doug Barton wrote: > Pietro Cerutti wrote: >=20 >> I have no problem accepting the fact that you don't need this feature,= >> but, on the contrary, it seems that you have a problem accepting the >> fact that someone could find it useful. >=20 > That is certainly not true for me, and I don't think it's true for Kian= > either. I can see how _someone_ could find it useful, I just don't thin= k > that a majority of our users would benefit from this. >=20 >> The feature doesn't change any defaults, don't have any side effects a= nd >> can merely be ignored if you don't want to use it. >> >> Why are you so reluctant in accepting it? >=20 > The rc.d system is critical to FreeBSD, and making boot time faster is = a > goal that always have in front of us. We have to critically examine > every single suggestion for modifications to it, and the bias is > strongly in the direction of not adding something that won't be > beneficial to the majority of our users. Ok I understand the politics and you point. Thanks! >=20 > Every extra line of code adds complexity and some amount of processing > time, no matter how small. It's very easy to go from a streamlined > system (which IMO rc.d is not yet) to a bloated pig one centimeter at a= > time. >=20 > I don't expect you to necessarily agree with my analysis, but I wanted > to explain more of the reasoning behind it, which hopefully will help > you understand that we're not just rejecting your proposal out of hand.= >=20 > Doug >=20 --=20 Pietro Cerutti PGP Public Key: http://gahr.ch/pgp --------------enig26500EF22A39AEE23E626D00 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHCVTMwMJqmJVx944RCmZtAKCc5KKiWJxiS1eTc+VFZ+AEZm0d3gCeKRzK FD4qRR63jaL+lGvZeMHPNqQ= =T7b3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig26500EF22A39AEE23E626D00--