From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 19:56:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F701065672 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:56:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-21.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-21.bluehost.com [69.89.21.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A098C8FC16 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:56:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 1503 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 19:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 19:56:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=RTYBbs39YtFxE0avDcI3f5wS/01Ea8DoPSLJ6W/51vKL4a+3Bh5kd3eiTTEmlb6CRoUPTkM2SDZ10RlXgvdvOBPdzwLU+UsbhlTUoq4lYCrl6hJegZ7LYtk2nJHRCCK4; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L9PjW-0002wi-4c for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:56:02 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:55:51 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:55:51 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081207195551.GB34325@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:02 -0000 --MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 07:18:08PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >Does anyone know of any recent progress on a 64bit Nvidia Driver? > >there is mention of progress on this page > >http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=3D41545&page=3D24 >=20 > most freebsd users don't need 3D at all, or don't need super-high-speed= =20 > 3D. >=20 > so simply don't use nvidia/ati That strikes me as short-sighted, narrow-minded, and self-fulfilling. 1. As long as there is not as much support for 3D accelerated graphics with FreeBSD, people who need 3D accelerated graphics will tend to use other OSes more often. 2. The fact that you apparently have some kind of zealous hatred of the idea of FreeBSD on the desktop doesn't mean there are not legitimate uses for FreeBSD on the desktop -- uses that may even include things like 3D accelerated graphics. Hell, I get better performance for WoW using Wine than I do on MS Windows. 3. There are uses for 3D accelerated graphics that don't even include "desktop" use. Rendering farms come to mind. The more you say "Most FreeBSD users don't need 3D at all, so just use something else if you need 3D," and sweep the problem under the rug, the more likely we are to never have a FreeBSD that offers broad, stable support for 3D accelerated graphics. I would like it if you'd stop trying to convince people that my favorite OS shouldn't be improved. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Henry Spencer: "Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly." --MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkk8KkcACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUHnACgiXnJlsTcsOnnI06JCAkN88iM xC0AoMWAx0mBtwHNGFrvhf5GuQx1nMjv =yFTs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ--