From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 14 11:18:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA07500 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:18:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA07488 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sef@Kithrup.COM) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.5/8.6.6) id LAA22953; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:17:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199710141817.LAA22953@kithrup.com> To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sweet dreams are made of this... In-Reply-To: Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article you write: > >http://www.sun.com/announcement/letter.html This is, really, no real big deal, although Sun is trying to make it so. Sun is claiming a violation in their contract; they are, most likely, going to win, because they do get to say what goes in "Java." However, that doesn't make Sun *right* -- they've been looking for a reason to sue uSoft for a *long* time, and this probably thrilled them. Netscape reportedly doesn't pass Sun's conformance suite either -- and a good question is, does Sun's implementation pass Sun's conformance suite? What uSoft has done is not included a couple of classes, for their own reasons. That's not smart, but I can't fault them, really. Not a whole lot. The worst thing uSoft has done is to put some methods in the java.* hierarchy; this is very *stupid* -- Sun could easily put their own methods in with the same name, but different semantics. But, all reports are that these additional methods are marked as being uSoft-only, so no programmer should be misled. Of course, I also haven't fallen for the hype that is Java these days. It's interesting, but I dislike a bunch of things about it. It's better than C++, but, really, what isn't? :) And it is lacking in some respects, even when compared to C++. In the end, I predict that Sun will spend lots of money, and get a minor concession out of uSoft, and will hail it as a major victory.