From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 7 11:32:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2DAC696 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2014 11:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hades.sorbs.net (hades.sorbs.net [67.231.146.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF6D2625 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2014 11:32:11 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from isux.com (firewall.isux.com [213.165.190.213]) by hades.sorbs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.29.0 64bit (built Jul 9 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0N6S00D5RQV31C00@hades.sorbs.net> for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 04:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <5392F838.3080204@sorbs.net> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2014 13:32:08 +0200 From: Michelle Sullivan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.24) Gecko/20100301 SeaMonkey/1.1.19 To: Paul Schmehl Subject: Re: Who was the mental genius References: <20140606090550.0d1a8510@X220.alogt.com> <53916D7E.5030508@heuristicsystems.com.au> In-reply-to: Cc: Erich Dollansky , FreeBSD Ports , Dewayne Geraghty X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2014 11:32:12 -0000 Paul Schmehl wrote: > > I appreciate the advice. I've elected to setup an alternate form of > backup (using rsync over ssh to backup each server to its sibling) so > I can upgrade to 8.4 without worrying about a loss. Once that's > complete, I'll get the new backup system in place (using Storgrid > backing up to a SAN at the hosting provider). > > After that I can comfortably move to 9 or 10. I don't like running > "bleeding edge" releases on production servers. This work I'm doing > is entirely voluntary, for a hobby website with a small budget, so I > have to be very careful about not breaking anything. > > When I installed one of these servers 9 wouldn't even install (missing > RAID drivers), which is why I used 8. > My issue is some of the production servers I am running if I perform an 'OS Reload' Softlayer (the hosting provider) will only allow me to reload with 7.x releases... totally unsupported. Others only 7.2 or 8.4, others 8.4, 9.0 or 10.0... So last production reload I did after freebsd-update screwed up (and it was probably user error (or distro error - Softlayer's setup) not a problem with freebsd-update - going from 7.2->8.4) I had to reload with 9.0 and freebsd-update to 9.2 (10.0 was not even an option on that server - just 2 months ago) FreeBSD maintainer problem? No User (me) problem? No and Yes (no because I didn't do anything, yes because a production server went down) Softlayer problem? Probably - but then they give you 20+ OS options mostly Windows and (paid support) $penguin OSs ... FreeBSD seems not a priority for them (and they don't have any other *BSDs) so can you blame them? (probably getting kickbacks for the support contracts) There isn't an easy answer, everyone is trying to do the right thing, but I feel your pain (mentioned elsewhere in this thread.) Michelle -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/