From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 12 17:46:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57D41065697 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:46:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FEC28FC24 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-228-22.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.228.22]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A273D4EB; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:46:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nBCHk0wS001731; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:46:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:46:00 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Paul Schmehl Message-Id: <20091212184600.118587c9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20091211025508.GA4357@jesters-court.net> <4ad871310912101919j6876f01cp3bd24629ca089fc5@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310912110559w7a6fdce7s53359a6ceda64399@mail.gmail.com> <8E342D86408C0B77A05A484A@utd65257.utdallas.edu> <20091212173159.d36521fc.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Glen Barber , mpd Subject: Re: upgraded to 8, no mouse is broken X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:46:04 -0000 On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:24:29 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On December 12, 2009 10:31:59 AM -0600 Polytropon > wrote: > > > > The FreeBSD OS, on the other hand, follows approach (a) and > > aids the user with (b) - the defaults are intendedly and > > wisely chosen, so they usually don't cause problems, because > > they don't assume something stupid, like "The user will want > > to have a web server included, and enabled by default." :-) > > > > Or the user can't possibly maintain the server without a GUI > interface...... Oh yes, I just forgot that it's common corporate guideline to have the users maintain the server. :-) > I have FreeBSD servers that have 30 ports installed. My desktop has 714. > It should be up to me what runs on the box, not the manufacturer. But finally, that's what "average users" are expecting. I completely agree with you. Maybe it's some work needed to get exactly what you want, but finally, you GOT it, and without the need to install things you do not use, occupying disk space and needing your attention. This situation - being up to date, especially in regards of security - is very important on servers. > I don't > need a ton of cruft to run a single application that does some sort of > task for me. For such a situation - and if you really want it - PC-BSD is the right choice. Still it's FreeBSD "under the hood" that lets you solve problems and correct non-working things by yourself, instead of just claiming "that's not possible" or "not supported". -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...