From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jul 27 07:48:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28100 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shadow.spel.com (elevator.cablenet-va.com [208.206.84.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28089 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:48:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mturpin@shadow.spel.com) Received: from localhost (mturpin@localhost) by shadow.spel.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01262; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:47:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark turpin To: Steven Plite cc: Nicholas Lee , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Providence deal at computer123 In-Reply-To: <19980726231242.A26777@cynix.ecn.purdue.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Steven Plite wrote: > I haven't been terribly impressed with Clifford Tech so far. Shipment > packaging was sloppy, the rotor of one of the CPU fans had popped out > and was floating around inside the board's static bag. I haven't called > them yet to get it replaced. It also took them two weeks to ship my order. > > The motherboards are pulls (from Toshiba Equium 6200Ms probably, since > the one I've installed has a Toshiba logo on boot up) and don't include > the ATX IO shield to cover the ports. I have no idea where to get one > to fit the PR440FX, since it's a bit odd in port layout. But at least > the boards look clean, and they came with a photocopied jumper diagram, > which is good as Intel's manual only gives settings for 180 and 200MHz. > > The CPUs are pulls as well, and look a bit worn. They did ship them with > (cheap) fan/heatsinks, but without any thermal grease (which you can get > at Radio Shack.) > Mine shipped the same way.. Bad box, cheap fan, no thermal grease. The boards are pulls from a toshiba, probably last years model which didn't sell well. The boards were probably pulled at the factory and replaced with a pentium II board. Then sold at surplus. > That said, the one board I've installed works so far, though all I've run > on it is DOS and a -current boot floppy. I'll try loading a -current snap > tonight. > > Bottom line is: you get what you pay for. Or rather, you don't get what > you don't pay for. I don't know that I'd trust this gear to a production > box, but they should be fine in test boxes, which is where mine's going. > > As for the 166/512 vs. 180/256 question, I haven't done any comparitive > testing and am unlikely to have time to do so. But, if you can afford > the cost delta, the 166/512 would be preferable. Twice the L2 cache > and 10% faster memory bus are good, and they would probably overclock > to 180MHz (or more) easily if the 14MHz delta in clock speed bothers > you. :-) > I don't think that anything is WRONG with the boards. I would have no problem putting this in a production environment. I've already installed 2.1.6 with no problems. My department doesn't have a huge budget so sales like this are great for us. Mark Turpin - mturpin@spel.com Main Street Technology Centre Bedford, VA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message