From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 2 08:55:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EAA106564A for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 08:55:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gkeramidas@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA2B8FC12 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 08:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so354276lag.13 for ; Wed, 02 May 2012 01:55:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3mntkGmo3nd7dfIUmYta2k3I3K/DxqKruAlvA8dLTSU=; b=w0OEyCsW+uGIFCJO4xQXDx1teZuDzYeRKG9bY4bxq/eNmtqaNqb23ps+uOnAwOHIIy XS6FDxu/mQJrP3YfZnJZLB8s2Os+Nq92yc+NGqgj2LAMy/w31NPX0RT7+sFONC86zz5G xuCqY3MR3tjK6rf02+ETbEPkXyF0MMG2LdEjJp8lsthS2hd9jk4tOiGESnWR0HICKt7k IVwtKUOR2vfP1BtlScqfRprK3ev0NP7drZ+Ox0W4zhs1cLbFY5uGbPz3HyfS+qBvNks1 MzhMoPiC1nHdCH8DuUsyssrSllYLO9lP7tp94zbCFX/hxRZgShiI1Fqdnm0TttX5uBSp SicA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.103.209 with SMTP id fy17mr11901413lab.48.1335948908530; Wed, 02 May 2012 01:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Sender: gkeramidas@gmail.com Received: by 10.152.131.37 with HTTP; Wed, 2 May 2012 01:55:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120427203117.GA2055@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:55:08 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cmEay-TpvtqvPARNqxpImC3TZyA Message-ID: From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jerry McAllister , Wojciech Puchar , Andy Young , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 08:55:10 -0000 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > Another point is that server installers are highly educated with respect = to > desktop installers and their numbers are small with respect to desktop > users . > > For them , it is very easy to "harden" FreeBSD after installation if ever > it is needed , because during installation , it is a simple question to a= sk > : > > Will =C2=A0this be used as a Server ? Judging from the amount of effort it takes to "harden" a system that already starts a thousand services (typical "desktop Linux" scenario these days), and the number of times I've seen this sort of customization cause even more headaches, I'd say this is a slightly exaggerated statement. You are right that a "plain user" does not care about why their CD-ROM is not accessible after installation, but there are two different ways to approach this: - Install and enable everything by default, hoping that nothing bad happens when an unused service is exploitable. - Install a minimal system and build from there. Most Linux distributions pick the first option. _Some_ Linux distributions pick the second option (e.g. Gentoo). The default FreeBSD installation uses the second option. PC-BSD leans towards the first option, and does a really good job at making a BSD desktop 'accessible' to what is usually called "the average user". So it all depends on what you want to do, and there _are_ options that cover both cases for either Linux or BSD.