From owner-freebsd-current Sun Dec 27 17:57:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06578 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:57:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles315.castles.com [208.214.167.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06567 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:57:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06527; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:54:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812280154.RAA06527@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Christian Kuhtz cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Greg Lehey , FreeBSD current users Subject: Re: Thanks, Core Team In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:50:32 EST." <19981227205032.J1333@ns1.adsu.bellsouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:54:02 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 05:45:37PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > 1. LKMs are gone. > > > 2. This was decided by the core team. > > > 3. Nobody else was informed. > > > > Actually, while some of the recent events came as much as a surprise > > to core as anyone else, the transition from LKMs to KLD modules is not > > and should not come as a surprise to anyone. We've been talking about > > it for ages now in -current and the only way you could possibly fail > > to be informed about this transition would be if you had simply > > deleted every mail received from -current for at least the last 3 > > months. > > And three months is considered to be a suitable transition period? With all > due respect, give me a break. *hrmph* This was discussed at length for some time; and in Greg's case as one of the LKM-laggers we've been trying to encourage him to switch for some time, and that was in fact on the agenda before the jackboots arrived. Three months is actually not at all unreasonable, especially given how trivial the actual code changes required are. > If the old facility still works, why not leave both enabled? Because LKMs don't work for ELF kernels, and we should be making the ELF kernel cutover before we branch. Again, this is something that should have been understood by the folks following -current, although we haven't necessarily been making enough loud noise about it to keep it a constant discussion topic. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message