From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 25 12:36:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7523152CA for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:36:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.198.128]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA59B3; Tue, 25 May 1999 21:36:25 +0200 Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org (abaddon@daemon [192.168.0.1]) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA59696; Tue, 25 May 1999 21:36:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990525062717.30031.qmail@nym.alias.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:36:25 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Sergey Subject: Re: [Q] How stable is FreeBSD 3.X ? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 25-May-99 Sergey wrote: > I've found a lot of problems in PR and archives. They are old dated and > looking as dead for monthes - no audit trail, no discussion. Thanks for just pressing Sheldon Hearn into the dirt. >> If you want to see future releases perform better than the one you're >> whining about now, I suggest you get busy contributing something more >> useful than your current load of hot air. >> > I'm ready, I want, but I don't understand how!!! I can claim about > problem, I can reproduce it, I can give you more info.... Even more I > can start tracing if you give me hints! Ever heard of basic debugging? Ye cannot expect a developer to have every ill-damned configuration availble out there to test it on. YOUR hardware is doing something which the kernel doesn't like, or vice versa, so debug it at YOUR site. After you have done some basic ddb'ing, gdb'ing, tracing, trussing, etc, then bother developers for more information. It may sound hard, but in these last 8-12 months I really understand what the -current developers where telling me in the first place. > *** But how can I do something if YOU just ignore issue ??? *** By reading up on debugging obviously. Saying that you aren't a developer is no excuse to just shove the responsibility towards the developers. Heck, if their box works, should they even care about _your_ box? In theory they wouldn't have to, in reality they do. Mike, Jordan, Doug (both of them ;), W. Gerald, John, Eivind, David, etc etc all helped me a lot with my endeavours on CURRENT and what-not. And by their encouragements I also got more involved in the total process which reflects back into better reports on my side. --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The FreeBSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist *BSD: Accept no limitations... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message