From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 15:47:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA2F57995E for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb32.google.com (mail-yb1-xb32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3MT719FGz3Jcp for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:47:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb32.google.com with SMTP id j198so3870426ybj.11 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:47:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=kVSlgZvjha0m5usWTHVDsyA2eBz3KHovi2eZjtE/0To=; b=VqoDyk0xC4XNf4y4NnKmcObs9JCGjC2/Mvqt3WxI9JWWT52fLisgPZANqog+Q1WBDu mev9M4qzq2mi8HvxUm6+uKTyMsFVsqn20zSgiIeNphTxZirURGqvAWxw5VlElFZIozcZ qgz7vbGKO81WFwTdkKtRnhxFTkoITyt9yCmTEDYuMbwVWCVLY7R/whXNk4jPpN5rZ3ff 6oZ6gdQ735O3Xncty66B6tca+APmxBXa/G9vngBzQ2B8DUPyziiHKyYd9oF6PSVURhYo A2NZu0Y5wVDyY8mhdgFN8KnG6ErOLzFkucob7NCP6dJiTwLjr44rEdRHbPhjW4qI/UB3 u0/g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=kVSlgZvjha0m5usWTHVDsyA2eBz3KHovi2eZjtE/0To=; b=CW3uRvFNgQ36FZcTyZMZvvhRCaapMYzTgEmAOD02/88xq3WhdKyJBmvjEUJ4E2AFga mm7X8n2vNiFxGLV68vwxoi6IvacEMmMNRu9qeRbay2RGOY3gLeehHZXOr+mG8ucKTLLn nNhsf0OM3a2nuUPTEwmluM5Rk0QvpBhytwIyk0pd16LClnwKfatqvO5tqPoeg34OUYcX v3JfLFAU6dLDxze3gN2zL6NNpG19TCZyBJ/drt0RBCItTh7YaACCUUX7b4RRK542XWN2 SGvdkeqqOkatZDGsENHFXTo6VPkeR1t0nFrXtKqTw7vu/XOwMqSxfG5f7+GRJLmqo90q AwuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531v0/ggYSEshY3lfydiQUsKcgEy06SJ4kwEXY/rGt4q9pZIqDf3 9UwZdjNYCMLGMVIdA9rEbJJpIPt5VfNfQatN1ETEOwh8bnU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwv5lNjOYH61JBJHo+UFiUppceXubLCqWTZv4fcSU23gumbtiDGnO1AY+RweeZxQ1DfhAtotUYgQCCuaWvGNCY= X-Received: by 2002:a25:55c4:: with SMTP id j187mr1937608ybb.497.1616341642042; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:47:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:47:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3MT719FGz3Jcp X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=VqoDyk0x; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.98 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.984]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:47:24 -0000 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:34 AM Jerry wrote: > What really infuriates me is that FreeBSD will not at least post a > warning on their site of the problem. Something like this: > > FreeBSD had been notified that the following systems are not compatible > with versions >= 12.x [List of units not compatible]. We have no idea > what the problem is and we are not going to invest in the time to > figure it out, and if it is our problem, correct it. > Why should they?!?!? The reasons for "why should they" are: 1. There is an almost infinite number of combinations of hardware that one can find out there and most of them are like the person you are replying to edge cases that effect very few people (as witnessed by you can't find anyone with a close enough system that is willing to actually do the work to test any fixes on... so this leaves two options: a) you stop complaining and help actually fix the bug, b) you switch OS's.... either way stop publically whining about stuff you refuse to help with in an way and if you switch OS's this is the wrong forum to do it in -- in short STFU) 2. They *DO* list hardware that is *KNOWN* to be 100% compatible and working with the base system if you are not using one of the listed components then you are venturing into unknown territory and any problems are on you to report and or help fix... if you decide to go this route then you have no one except yourself to blame when you run into "some assembly required" situations and likely you are one the few people that can help fix it... yet you refuse to... again STFU -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org