From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 15 12:18:47 1999 Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (iquest3.iquest.net [209.43.20.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA28734 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:18:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@y.dyson.net) Received: (qmail 26164 invoked from network); 15 Feb 1999 20:18:40 -0000 Received: from dyson.iquest.net (HELO y.dyson.net) (198.70.144.127) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 1999 20:18:40 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by y.dyson.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA01687; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:18:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902152018.PAA01687@y.dyson.net> Subject: Re: Brett Glass and reality (was: Windows Refund Day: Watch out for Linux tactics) In-Reply-To: <199902150814.BAA11333@usr08.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "Feb 15, 99 08:14:53 am" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:18:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: jgrosch@mooseriver.com, brett@lariat.org, jasone@canonware.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, grog@lemis.com, kline@tera.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@iquest.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert said: > > You need to read the FAQ; Brett is right. From: > > http://hugin.imat.com/refund/faq/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Q: Are users of proprietary non-Microsoft OSes on Intel, such as BeOS, > SolarisX86, SCO UnixWare, OS/2, QNX, and NeXTstep for Intel (to name > a few) also welcome? > > A: This is an initiative of and by the open-source software community. > We welcome separate efforts by users of proprietary OSes, who would > certainly have an equally valid claim. If you hear of such an effort > or want to start one, please contact arlo@linuxmafia.com, and we'll > be glad to assist (e.g., share information and link to your Web site). > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Apparently VA Research is making and distributing T-shirts for > coming to the refund day. From the wording, I think they may > specifically be Linux T-shirts, and that you have to show up > at one of the car-pool points to get one (e.g., they may not > give them out at the site if you didn't come with them). This > would definitely provide higher visibility by providing Linux > branded "uniforms". > > The in-a-way *sad* thing is that the BSD people are held to a higher standard... I wonder if the BSD people are Republicans of the free software world, and Linux people are the Democrats :-). (Allusion to the very sorry state of politics in the US -- extreme double standard.) Whether or not Brett is over-advocating, at least he has the commitment to do so. Is he anywhere as "bad" as Stallman (regarding blind, religious and judgemental advocacy), for example? How negatively has he affected the software industry? Is it anywhere nearly as bad as most of the truly religious advocates? Can Brett's attitude really be resolved to religion, or is it really concern over the distruction of the financial motivations for creativity? It is pretty obvious that it is the latter, and not the former. BSD people are not allowed to "lower" themselves to the advocacy level? That is (in a way) sad, but also good (in a way.) -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@iquest.net | it makes one look stupid jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message