From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 10:57:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173CD16A4CE for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:57:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97BDA43D49 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:57:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j05Avrj27850; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:57:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Miguel Mendez" Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:57:52 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050105112031.54f063f9.flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:57:59 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Miguel Mendez [mailto:flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org] > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:21 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup > > > On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:10:46 -0800 > "Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote: > > I don't understand where all this animosity against CUPS comes from, but > it's not the first time I've seen people flaming against it. If you > don't like it, don't use it. CUPS is very easy to troubleshoot, perhaps > you didn't bother reading the man pages. Enable debugging log mode and > read the logs, all the info is there. > Since the entire point of CUPS is to automate printer setup, if you have to enable debugging and read the man pages you have defeated the point of the program. You also take longer than 10 seconds which pretty much means you just self-invalidated your example here. > Setting up my USB laserprinter takes 10 seconds with CUPS. That is only because the version of CUPS that you use knows about your model of laser printer. > Drop the ppd > file, And that is only because someone wrote a PPD file for your model printer and that it is actually correct. > point the browser at localhost:631 and configure the printer. Hmm - one more TCP daemon listening at a port that could be busted into. > Done. The computer is a tool to get the job done, and most people have > better things to do than spend more time than needed setting up their > printer. It's also worth mentioning that Samba 3.x and CUPS integreate > seamlessly. > And for people that really don't want to spend time setting up their printer, they are best off purchasing a printer that is well supported by all these make-it-easy programs. But, this limits the choice of printers somewhat. When I bought my Epson C84 it was not completely supported. I bought it anyway because it was one of the few models that had separate ink resivors and that had support under UNIX. If I did what you did I would have followed the typical sketchy advice off the lists and been stuck with not all features working, and no way to be able to query the printer for ink levels. But if you did what I did you would have complete support because you spent the extra time to get the bits together to make it work. This took me a longer time than you yes. But, I get to laugh when people who have those money-sucking HP color inkjet printers have to go throw away an all-in-one ink cartridge because Cyan ran out and they still have a half-resivour of black ink left - then run out and buy another $60 all-in-one cartridge. > > Also, too many people out there have got the idea that CUPS is > > somehow required to make their printer work. Not good. This > > leads to less understanding of how things work. > > That's not true. Don't assume that someone who uses CUPS doesn't know > what's going on. > Don't put words into my mouth. > > It is the same with computers. I know of people who have > > Windows boxes that are so highly configured it takes them > > literally weeks to put backgrounds/sounds/games/doodads/etc.etc. > > on every little thing of their PC. To me it is sad to see > > this same attitude encroaching on FreeBSD. > > Flawed analogy :-) > Well, if you honestly believe that then that's an indication that we aren't completely lost yet, saints be praised. I won't spoil your faith, then. > And, for the nth time, please, don't top post. > I generally top post when the answer is a complete answer, meaning the question is embedded in the answer. I generally don't top post when I'm just responding with a one-liner. If you review my postings you will see not all are top posted. The primary reason for doing it this way is to defeat the sorts of people who have got into the bad habit of reading a short way into a long post then jumping to a response, usually with a bunch of invalid assumptions, made, of course, because they didn't bother to read all the way to the end of the post where they would have seen that their initial assumptions were wrong. :-) The secondary reason is that it's easier for the reader to not have to read the question twice. (once in the reply, once within my answer) Ted