From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:34:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE86106568C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-305.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-305.bluehost.com [67.222.53.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A4278FC1D for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 30184 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 2008 09:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 09:32:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=jP/93ae9cnDDb6W8Mefrz6DS+kQcwB2PYQSlhjLamD3Xvhsli1GjeItRy5gv3Do2VDy9FwLdqudyGIlppS5jbqGM814HHwwcNW5NZ+FEWSuTsX5lxDtQAs4Hdi5QPuCX; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBQte-0002la-SG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:34:51 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:34:25 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:34:25 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="L+ofChggJdETEG3Y" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:34:51 -0000 --L+ofChggJdETEG3Y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:46:03PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? >=20 > no. all i want is to stop all stupid topics about: >=20 > - KDE/Gnome/other crap (or great things for somebody) >=20 > BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF FREEBSD. FreeBSD has nothing to this, except=20 > KDE/Gnome/whatever can be run on it Isn't discussion of getting KDE/GNOME/whatever working *with* FreeBSD a FreeBSD topic? >=20 > - support of flash in Opera/Firefox/Whatever >=20 > again BECAUSE WWW BROWSER ARE NOT PART OF FREEBSD. Isn't getting Flash working *with* FreeBSD (and browser of choice) a FreeBSD topic? >=20 > - support of new/hot (literally)/super/extra graphics cards from NVidia. >=20 > BECAUSE Xorg IS NOT PART OF FREEBSD. Isn't getting X.org working *with* FreeBSD (with a particular graphics adapter) a FreeBSD topic? >=20 > While IMHO full graphics support (graphics support, not GUI) should be=20 > part of kernel as driver, it isn't. Isn't that, too, a FreeBSD topic -- whether graphics support should be addressed as part of the FreeBSD base system's scope? >=20 > As NVidia card Xorg module does need some kernel wrapper (no idea why) -= =20 > then there is nothing wrong for interested people to write it as ADD=20 > ON/PORT. >=20 > - asking about bloat level, visual apperance comparision etc. between=20 > FreeBSD with KDE and Windoze. >=20 > because KDE ARE NOT PART OF FREEBSD, and FreeBSD on it's own doesn't have= =20 > (fortunately) any "desktop environment" so it can't be compared. Isn't "FreeBSD + $foo" a FreeBSD topic? >=20 > if someone like to compare KDE with windoze - OK but NOT THIS GROUP! KDE is not an operating system and -- despite jokes to the contrary -- installing MS Windows on a computer does indeed give one an operating system. It takes something like FreeBSD, in addition to KDE, to have a valid OS+GUI comparison with MS Windows. >=20 > SO - please just stop ALL NTG topics here. this group really lacks=20 > moderator. not someone that will remove posts he considers "lame" but all= =20 > that is off topic. >=20 > Off topic=3Dnot about FreeBSD OS. I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one wants it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Paul Graham: "Real ugliness is not harsh-looking syntax, but having to build programs out of the wrong concepts." --L+ofChggJdETEG3Y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklDgaEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKURNgCg8qCDPb70TuCpJ3T7pWD8sVU4 Wj4AoJBE1Qe8ssG5agaUrZblmQ5TQnqQ =uOFJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --L+ofChggJdETEG3Y--