From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 01:57:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DD216A4BF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 01:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amsfep16-int.chello.nl (amsfep16-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785AA43F75 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 01:56:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joao@bowtie.nl) Received: from nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl ([212.142.29.165]) by amsfep16-int.chello.nlESMTP <20030902085656.VJER24754.amsfep16-int.chello.nl@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl>; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:56:56 +0200 Received: from hume.intra.bowtie.nl (hume.intra.bowtie.nl [192.168.4.13]) h828utWf073146; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:56:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from joao@bowtie.nl) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:56:55 +0200 From: Joao Schim To: Randi Harper Message-Id: <20030902105655.0e2e3652.joao@bowtie.nl> In-Reply-To: <1B1966EA-DCF0-11D7-BDAD-000393D46EC6@freebsdgirl.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030901203824.0337c920@localhost> <1B1966EA-DCF0-11D7-BDAD-000393D46EC6@freebsdgirl.com> Organization: BowTie Technology BV X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:57:01 -0000 On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:49:43 -0400 Randi Harper wrote: > > On Monday, September 1, 2003, at 10:45 PM, Brett Glass wrote: > > > At 08:07 PM 9/1/2003, Randi Harper wrote: > > > >> My mom runs FreeBSD. ;) > > > > Good for her! So does my wife, who is an artist and not technical. > > > > But she runs text consoles THROUGH a Windows machine. > > Ah. My mother actually runs a FreeBSD desktop. Personally, I have a > FreeBSD 4.8 laptop, 2 servers running 5.1, and a windows box running > exceed (no explorer.exe) that stream x apps over the network from my > fbsd server. Windows gives me hives. > > > > >> A desktop of it's own? Let's clarify something here. Having something > >> like gnome or KDE doesn't qualify something as being a 'desktop' or > >> not. Surely you can recall the days before gnome and KDE were > >> popular. What did we use then? Window Maker? Enlightenment? KDE was > >> somewhat popular, but it didn't have the momentum it has now. Yes, > >> those are aimed at the Linux people. And for what it's worth, let > >> them have it. gnome and KDE are the toilet paper of the stinky gas > >> station bathroom that is X11, in my opinion. > > > > Yes, X11 is awkward and messy to build on. I do think that Apple's > > approach, > > which scuttles X11 as a foundation for a UNIX GUI, is the right way to > > go. > > (I have heard, however, that they will have a built-in X server in the > > next > > version of OS X, so they will be able to interoperate with UNIX code > > that > > relies on X11.) > > Absolutely. I got my first look at OS X a few days ago when I got my > new laptop, a PowerBook G4. I am loving it so far. I won't say it > doesn't have it's problems, but it's gold when you compare it to the > alternative. Clean, fast, and shiny. > > > > >> GTK, an integral part of gnome, works fine in FreeBSD. Instead of > >> people just sitting on their butts and whining 'I need a GUI, I need > >> things to click on, I want something that does stuff for me so I can > >> be a freaking moron but still be able to brag about my uname -a on > >> IRC', wouldn't it make sense to code one? > > > > It'd be better to start with something that's not GPLed, so that one > > was > > not planting yet another GPL poison pill within BSD. I and my > > employees will > > not even look at GPLed source, due to the legal problems this can > > cause a > > programmer who sometimes codes for money. > > Ack, thinks for pointing that out. I hadn't even considered that. Damn. > Well, can you think of a better toolkit to use for this purpose? Are > there any decent ones that aren't GPL'ed? How about that fancy toolkit called (open)motif .. That'll show 'm GPL folks ;) -- =========================================================================== Joao Schim telefoon:(+31)40-2649860 fax:(+31)40-2649861 http://www.bowtie.nl BowTie Technology BV Raiffeisenstraat 7 - 5611 CH Eindhoven