From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 28 18:25:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11556 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:25:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.3.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11540 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:24:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (minbar-2-83.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.135.211]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.0) id UAA02905; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:24:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from fpawlak@localhost) by darkstar.connect.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id UAA01196; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:25:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "Frank Pawlak" Message-Id: <980629012456.ZM1195@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:24:56 +0000 In-Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" "Re: Does it's true?" (Jun 28, 4:32pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: "Jason C. Wells" Subject: Re: Does it's true? Cc: Gary Kline , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Jun 28, 4:32pm, Jason C. Wells wrote: > Subject: Re: Does it's true? > On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Frank Pawlak wrote: > > *** snipped a bunch about weapons and design *** > > >turned into hamburger on the spot. This is strictly an assault weapon, that > >does not belong in the hands of any civilains for any reason, just by nature of > >design. > > I did not comment on the design of firearms but I do know the difference > between semi and fully automatic. You will see other comments in this > thread that I make about semiauto weapons. Indeed you did not. I needed it to solidify my argument. > > I agree totally. I am in complete agreement with the Federal Firearms act > of 1934 which prohibits the ownership of fully automatic weapons and other > weapons of mass destruction. > > On the causes of crime and the effect punishment has there can be much > debate because it is such an obtuse subject. I might in turn argue that > Saudi Arabia has a low crime because of it's terrible punishments. I might > argue that Switerzland has low crime because everyone is armed. I think > such comparisons must be considered carefully. The US is not Switzerland > or Saudi Arabia. What role does culture play in all of this? > > This still leaves us with how to end murderousness in the US. I do not > think the death penalty will achieve this. Nor do I propose to abolish the > death penalty. What I do believe is that mutual repsect for fellow > citizens and for the law can reduce murderousness. Than what purpose does the death penalty serve? If it is inefective why keep it around? Your last statement is true. > > How I would achieve this respect is difficult, but it includes a huge dose > of education. Perhaps I have strayed from the "gun" issue here, but I > think this statement follows from my fundamental position of "human" > responsibilty. I don't believe in the "gun" problem but I do believe in > the "human" problem. So, because we have the problem the assumption is that those Americans that kill their fellow man are uneducated. I was totally unaware that all killers had the intelligence of a plant. This sounds a lot like the case for sex education. Hormones have over run that idea too. > > If we can "fix" the human condition then perhaps we may have peace. Yup at last you grasp the problem. How about a quick look at the total break down of the moral fabric of a country? Frank > > Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering > Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ > | 206-633-5994 >-- End of excerpt from Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message