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[2001:44b8:31ae:7b01:6821:be33:19f8:f73a]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n27sm6976459pfb.53.2016.01.27.00.29.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:29:12 -0800 (PST) Sender: Kubilay Kocak Reply-To: koobs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r407270 - head/ports-mgmt/portmaster References: <201601261123.u0QBNcvL091258@repo.freebsd.org> <56A86CAD.7030507@marino.st> <56A8747E.5080703@FreeBSD.org> <20160127081700.GA20812@FreeBSD.org> To: Alexey Dokuchaev Cc: Martin Wilke , ports-committers@freebsd.org, "svn-ports-all@FreeBSD.org" , "svn-ports-head@FreeBSD.org" From: Kubilay Kocak X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56A87FCE.6080305@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:29:02 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:44.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/44.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160127081700.GA20812@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the ports tree for head List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 08:29:14 -0000 On 27/01/2016 7:17 PM, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 06:40:46PM +1100, Kubilay Kocak wrote: >> I find no issue with notifying users that portmaster is *currently* >> unmaintained and has open issues, and that support can't *currently* >> be provided for it. >> >> However, I don't believe we ought take actions that hasten its demise. >> In fact, I believe a statement to the effect that we *want* someone to >> take maintainership in order to avoid further bitrot would be >> worthwhile. > > It's funny how easily we deprecate some things (G2, KDE3, pre-KMS X.org, > etc.) yet *want* someone to take maintainership in order to avoid further > bitrot of broken and inferior reimplementation of portupgrade. :-) I only meant that we can get better at explicitly asking/saying so, and this was just one example. It would also be better if we did it proactively, rather than reactively, long before something like deprecated is needed. I would propose needs-a-maintainer@FreeBSD.org or equivalent instead of ports@FreeBSD.org, if I didn't think it would distract from the main issue here. We can talk on IRC about it. >> Given what the term 'deprecated' implies, I would use a pre-everything: >> message instead. > > That's a good idea actually. It would be nice to have something framework'ey that is less loaded than DEPRECATED, but more specific and consistent than your standard ECHO_MSG or pkg-message. Like CAUTION/ALERT/WARNING/INFORMATIONAL or similar. Again let's talk on IRC :) > ./danfe >