From owner-freebsd-arch Thu Apr 6 22:10:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5803C37BF8F for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:10:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16697 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:14:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id HAA35262 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:10:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BD837BD46; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (Foolstrustidentd@obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA22411; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:10:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <38ED6DDA.3771B1A5@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 23:10:50 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: obrien@freebsd.org Cc: Nate Williams , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Import of tcsh into src/contrib/, replacing src/usr.bin/csh References: <20000406134916.A23265@dragon.nuxi.com> <200004062121.PAA24162@nomad.yogotech.com> <20000406144502.A25177@dragon.nuxi.com> <200004062150.PAA24400@nomad.yogotech.com> <20000406150728.A25607@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 03:50:49PM -0600, Nate Williams wrote: > > > I don't want a fully functional workstation. I want a root account that > > > is useful. > > > > It's completely useful. It has everything you need. What does tcsh > > provide you that csh doesn't provide you that is needed for root? > > Command line completion, and something other than bazzar "!^?-" history > substitution. Shell evolution (and other command line tools) have shown > that either Emacs or Vi -style line editing is the way to go. No one has > adopted the bazzar Csh history substitution syntax. ^No one^Only Wes^ > > > I am also tired of explaining to Linux users why our /bin/csh doesn't > > > have as nice a UI as tcsh. > > > > That's a *really* bad reason to bring in csh, and you know it. > > No I don't know it. You obvioulsy haven't had to fight to keep research > labs using FreeBSD over Linux. Is it really that hard to 'pkg_add /cdrom/packages/shells/tcsh*' ? Add it to the default system, just don't REPLACE /bin/csh with it. Make it root's default shell, even. > > PicoBSD is just *one* of the many, many, many uses for small embedded > > system. > > List them. These small embedded system developers can grab the old csh > sources from the Attic and import them into their own source tree. Oh, yeah, that's a great tack. > > > As would Tcsh. > > > > If both are adequate, choose the smaller of the two since it benefits > > more folks that way. ;) > > I dissagree. ;) Perhaps a poll? > > > > The need is our root's shell is crappy. > > > > I disagree, but what's stopping you from using tcsh as root's shell? > > It isn't part of the base system. So solve that problem without creating a bunch more. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message