From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 19 04:01:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E2A1065672 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 04:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f165.google.com (mail-bw0-f165.google.com [209.85.218.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D798FC0A for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 04:01:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so817680bwz.43 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:01:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=8WKVRHPSlnPCYXOOEvddmALI2CGJlXNj8hJbSa33cvo=; b=qkGTiv84l/IfgIX69heHFZQDPQx844kIRq2ZB1U2GxIpxZk8EnL2UDxC6Yrf/QShmv bIW5gUfrJ9pXkPt4BcJO0p11GdqxGu/X7nsvSGp6EWIxfG4IDtKkfSk6NAuKwDlxtXid pcendq4+l7v9cI2EDSYc5qIwpaczxwZIBM8vE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Z7j80mEfQFxm6oaB46SavoKo33X963gw6iTyFR0gjK5kGEqoEQIuA/gaxnCGE3a0n1 k1LRYMW1bz0pyRM4yYApLSElDUkWHCqUd73wIuLP0Ieh4l4O6Nytjy3g/sGYIqnF/xts 6HBesLpaMWOsuqoacXJWC6jm9ULU8ERf/cvDQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.100.70 with SMTP id x6mr3955249bkn.140.1240113661640; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:01:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49EA6E33.1060906@gmail.com> References: <20090419010904.714c2dc2@gluon.draftnet> <49EA6E33.1060906@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 00:01:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Manolis Kiagias Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Bruce Cran , freebsd-stable Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.2 RC1 amd64 Installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 04:01:03 -0000 On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Bruce Cran wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:04:26 -0400 > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > > > > > >> (3) When shutdown is selected from Gnome menu either by the first > >> user or the root , within displayed dialog box > >> there is no a Shutdown item . > >> It is necessary for the root open a terminal console , and enter > >> shutdown -p now command . > >> > > > > Have you installed sudo? I think those options > > (suspend/shutdown/hibernate) only get displayed if HAL sees sudo is > > available. > > > > > Fact is you will get these options either if you have sudo and your user > account is authorized to shutdown / reboot (this is the fallback method > though) or if PolicyKit is configured (see > /usr/local/etc/PolicyKit/PolicyKit.conf) to allow shutdown/reboot. > > Entries will look similar to these: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a look at http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html for more > HAL fun ;) > Nearly all of my expressed ideas about FreeBSD is not about my own requirements but especially newly beginning users . This point is utmost importance for me because my profession was the teaching of programming languages to the students in the University by starting from Introduction to computing . In those days computers were not available as they are today . I know how difficult is to make a start to learning to use a computing systems with respect to observations of the students . Then I want to emphasize the points that will be difficult for the new users to overcome at the beginning . If we do not reduce usage difficulty level of FreeBSD as much as possible it will prevent adoption of FreeBSD so much . Why FreeBSD so important for me is not a good question because FreeBSD is an excellent operating system with an immensely invested efforts by its very valuable developers and I think it is second to none . For my own difficulties : I wish - the Handbook includes more examples . - the man pages includes more examples for typical situations . In that respect my idea is that freebsd-questions and other lists contain excellent cases and solutions to them . In those days there is a concept of data mining . Actually these lists are containing very good sample cases and their solutions . By traversing the questions and problems and answers to them may be utilized to enhance the man pages and the handbook . This requires extensive knowledge about the Handbook and man pages which I do not have yet . Knowledgeable FreeBSD developers may contribute to this process . It is known that ideas expressed in mailing lists may be utilized for this process and my opinion is that no one will object to utilization of his/her ideas in such a utilization . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk.