From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 6 14:52:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB7216A41F for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:52:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A9343D53 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:52:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from UTDEVS08.campus.ad.utdallas.edu (utdex08.utdallas.edu [129.110.70.103]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FA9389357 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:52:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [129.110.3.28] ([129.110.3.28]) by UTDEVS08.campus.ad.utdallas.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:52:14 -0500 Message-ID: <44352B1D.4020905@utdallas.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:52:13 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060403) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <000001c65907$42db76c0$6401a8c0@thomas> <20060406094921.478b5cc3.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <20060406094921.478b5cc3.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040701060904050802010309" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2006 14:52:14.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[B155F530:01C65989] Cc: Subject: Re: Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:52:19 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040701060904050802010309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Moran wrote: > > Don't use FreeBSD. I know this will be an unpopular post on this list, but > you've said a number of things that tell me that you will be unsuccessful > with FreeBSD: > 1) You don't seem to have any Unix experience > 2) You're coming from a Windows world > 3) You don't have time or patience > > #3 is particularly important, given #1 and #2. FreeBSD _will_ take you > some time to understand. It _will_ take some time and effort to get it > working the way you want. Since you are totally new to it, it _will_ > require patience. > I'm going to second that. The biggest "shock" of moving to Unix is when you realize there isn't any GUI until you set one up. (That's not so true on many of the Linuxes anymore.) If you're serious about moving to Unix but you don't have the patience and time to learn, download Knoppix and use it for a while. Once you're more familiar with how things work, then you can dive in to the details. In the Windows world you're used to things like Flash and Java and Media Player "just working" in your browser, printing "just working", etc., etc.. Not true in FreeBSD. Even the GUI itself doesn't "just work". You have to be able to troubleshoot and determine the causes of problems, and sometimes that can take a while If you have the patience and the time, then by all means, jump right in, but don't expect to be surfing the web on your first day. -- Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --------------ms040701060904050802010309 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIOyjCC A9gwggNBoAMCAQICEAKtnrSFCASWdA6c5IDs7CIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgcExCzAJBgNV BAYTAlVTMRcwFQYDVQQKEw5WZXJpU2lnbiwgSW5jLjE8MDoGA1UECxMzQ2xhc3MgMiBQdWJs aWMgUHJpbWFyeSBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIEF1dGhvcml0eSAtIEcyMTowOAYDVQQLEzEoYykg MTk5OCBWZXJpU2lnbiwgSW5jLiAtIEZvciBhdXRob3JpemVkIHVzZSBvbmx5MR8wHQYDVQQL 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