From owner-freebsd-arch Mon Jul 15 15: 3:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E5837B401 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C269D43E65 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0196.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.196] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17UDvX-00027y-00; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:02:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3D33464B.7C9BC4D3@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:01:47 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Valentine Cc: "Louis A. Mamakos" , Thomas Seck , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Package system flaws? References: <200207151215.g6FCF43b099683@dotar.thuvia.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark Valentine wrote: > From: Terry Lambert > > > > Rather than trusting people with this, I would like to see the > > > > ability to learn institutionalized in the project and the tools, > > > > so that when individuals responsible leave, either voluntarily, > > > > or by getting hit by a bus, that the learning is not lost. > > > > > > I'd like to hear your ideas on how to make _that_ happen! :-) > > > > [vague rant snipped] > > I didn't see anything in there concrete enough to take action on... > > We already know about the problem of modularising the base system, > and I'm not sure how reminding us of that helps to "institutionalize > the ability to learn". If you don't want to hear the answer, don't ask the question. If you need something less "vague" than a generalization of conclusions, then try: http://www.americanscientist.org/articles/95articles/Saperstein-full.html It takes systems engineering of the institution itself, in order for it to be able to learn, and thus institutionalize knowledge, rather than embedding it in its people. "Modularizing the base system" is not a problem; it is the solution to a problem -- and not just an ends in itself, as your lack of certainty implies. Performing that task has consequences significantly above and beyond the direct consequences any casual observer would expect. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message