From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 15:33:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E15E106566C for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:33:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mozolevsky@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F338FC0C for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dady13 with SMTP id y13so2980349dad.13 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:33:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=DhOt/vHC2xBawYj3W3h/dHNLMfwHZ4c+22yyqzyuXFY=; b=QBItanXr+DPIoU8mHjQ2SkSIpI+GY9+MMMlCgbwLlvOsTV4+dqbk6fykkg3FdNP+N1 5L3O52bwslJ5gY91zIv6QooZMMM7fZY87U+NnXKECVjyItaS5uzbY5JnD/BK7xP26VQ8 nLp33spFlqh/1cBUNVrDhtDp1IS6zYp39PL9U= Received: by 10.68.212.73 with SMTP id ni9mr35464835pbc.82.1326814414131; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:33:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: mozolevsky@gmail.com Received: by 10.68.28.199 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:32:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1326756727.23485.10.camel@Arawn> <4F14BAA7.9070707@freebsd.org> <20120117010239.GA29529@richh-imac.office.boxdice.com.au> From: Igor Mozolevsky Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:32:53 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CZadS5bi0bM_O1kDpmKKqKVvZ_c Message-ID: To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:33:35 -0000 On 17 January 2012 14:20, Ivan Voras wrote: > On 17 January 2012 14:49, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: >> On 17 January 2012 13:44, Ivan Voras wrote: >>> On 17/01/2012 07:32, Atom Smasher wrote: >>>> >>>> what percentage of linux devs are on salary to develop linux? >>> >>> Apparently, 3/4: http://apcmag.com/linux-now-75-corporate.htm >> >> Actually, you're misrepresenting the facts: according to the headline, >> 75% of the code came from paid developers, *not* 75% of developers are >> paid... See the difference?.. > > Yes, you're correct. Actually, I don't think it's cash that's the problem. I think it is more to do with the lack of common goal: the way that releases are perceived, at least by me, are that a bunch of people "play" in current then at some point someone decides to take a "cut" of the current branch and call it a release then work toward making that "release" passable as stable. To illustrate that, I cannot find anywhere on the .org website what core@ see the desirable features of 10.0 to be, or what the committers are working toward. It seems that the "bazaar" model of development is at its worst here: everyone is doing their own thing and at some point someone decides to call it a day and make a release, nobody cares for what they have already done, but only what they want to do in the future, non-committer patches go ignored (no, I don't have a reference) which discourages end-user contribution... I'm very happy to be shown wrong here, btw!.. -- Igor M. :-)