From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 20 18:19:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC7537B405 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06005BCE8; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04314; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:19:52 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAL2HwA74229; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:17:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: Subject: Re: home pc use References: <3BF9B12B.3D521A4D@nycap.rr.com> <0111191831240Q.60958@chip.wiegand.org> <20011119220243.A268@prayforwind.com> <009a01c171a9$4eedbee0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011120023948.A92409@xor.obsecurity.org> <00df01c171b0$2a938be0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011120105642.GA75918@rhadamanth> <012d01c171b6$96b5adc0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011120114236.GA76431@rhadamanth> <005f01c171bf$c4d06b10$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011120220325.GF27244@hades.hell.gr> <015d01c1721f$09df3420$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 20 Nov 2001 18:17:56 -0800 In-Reply-To: <015d01c1721f$09df3420$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Message-ID: Lines: 32 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Anthony Atkielski" writes: > few seem to really know what they are talking about. It's a typical mailing > list, in other words, but it doesn't seem to be a very useful resources for > getting questions answered. A lot of questions get answered. A lot fewer don't. You can try unaswered questions on -stable (basic STABLE OS software) or maybe -hackers or -ports and get access to some experts that don't answer on -questions. And there's at least one expert on newsgroup comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc who I don't see often in the lists. BTW, I haven't minded your messages at all, even though I too hate M# and the clueless consumers who allowed M$ to take twenty years to incorporate ancient technology in the creation of a halfways-decent OS. I suppose OT messages are worthy of complaint, but I haven't seen much effort to move this discussion elsewhere; it's unfair to get in more OT jabs and then ask you to stop. Your posts are well worded and thought-provoking and I hope they result in some cross-fertilization of ideas and fill in some of the many blind spots that both you and we have. (And you definitely seem to be wearing some blinders, some of which I'm sure some more Unix experience will remove.) I've wished that more Unix people would have read "The Unix Hater's Handbook" since it came out in 1994. Our problems are only partially from our blinders; we mostly suffer from lack of manpower. We're incorporating ease-of-learning features even more slowly than M$ has incorporated ease-of-use and stability features, but it's improving and it's good enough for many people. And at least we have a good excuse for our slowness which M$ does not. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message