From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 15:39:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17504106566C for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:39:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mwi1.coffeenet.org (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EC88FC0C for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:39:34 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=teUJ98MHp1gigZmU9YjyMSA7wFt3KVahLLyNm7Bl2cw=; b=d7JkzH+mg3KpQdP8s7nqyVGsCrg1LgEoabJ1yIFJfiYUZd7NAF8w31LcjIDgEd5dfpTRkYJ8fALYOeUd3aMJy2nx49KwE8R622eiIZ0UPbejW55XicjIU7E7PZP2axGU; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mwi1.coffeenet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1RnB8E-000MW7-28 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:39:34 -0600 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1326814764-88972-88971/5/21; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:39:24 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:39:24 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.61 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Score: -1.0 Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:39:35 -0000 Why is everyone so afraid of running -STABLE? Plenty of stuff gets MFC'd. Yeah, I agree -- running -RELEASE is difficult. Hell, it's frustrating to us that VMWare only supports -RELEASE and it took until ESX 5 to officially support 8.2! More releases / snapshots of -STABLE helps people on physical servers, but anyone who runs VMs on Xen or VMWare won't get any support for those versions because they didn't go through the QA process yet. FreeBSD is increasingly becoming a third world citizen thanks to virtualization efforts being focused on Linux, so I feel that more frequent releases won't help as many people as you think.