From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 8 15:32: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E556A37B408 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:32:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 92492 invoked by uid 100); 8 Jun 2001 22:32:06 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15137.21094.35164.926545@guru.mired.org> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 17:32:06 -0500 To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD direction/Damonnews article In-Reply-To: <3B214EC1.B979899D@pitt.edu> References: <20010604200851.A65559@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3.0.6.32.20010608140211.00ae4470@mail85.pair.com> <3.0.6.32.20010608153126.00f7d7e0@mail85.pair.com> <3B21407C.2B9E8D6D@pitt.edu> <15137.18457.765347.530729@guru.mired.org> <3B214EC1.B979899D@pitt.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pedro F. Giffuni types: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > People wearing developers hats don't get to make decisions about the > > financial future of the company, so your recommendation is > > ineffective. Go to the root of the problem, and convince the people > > making those decisions that if they don't have developers, they don't > > have control of the development of the product - which pretty much > > spells death for the product. > Yes my solution is ineffective, although developers have more > influence on the decision than you think. Your solution is impossible > to implement (MBAs never see the real problems nor do they want to see > them) Could you please make up your mind? If the developers have more influence on MBAs than I think, then my solution isn't impossible to implement. > and, on the other hand, the people taking the decisions are > actually the ones that deserve to be punished Since the MBAs who chose to fire the developers are watching their company go down the drain, the people making the bad decision - to fire the developers - are being punished. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message