From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 15:47:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A4B11511ED for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:47:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1B668167A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:47:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=EJyRGYxbXW2sS9HQDHsPMj4zlJG8UnG+WRm/NTJ18Cs=; b=HeTIY+1/laGELtGKUCih8iG5gc 922yayemUyB70mZANthzUlX6rucSOAOckzxx+PanmRqzNuvePJbepD0PSw8WYHv9CTHwMT9OGkKh1 bWoNOd4ctuLzxsU1ftBvtNCtob/hlP3pG+DiQPEpAi+f0QPXGy5uRtRny1bqPaVsiKpY=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gRfaP-000Khp-BJ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 22:47:41 +0700 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 22:47:41 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: "John R. Levine" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rwmaillists@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list Message-ID: <20181127154741.GA78157@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20181126185830.18005da3@gumby.homeunix.com> <20181126232835.4593A2008E8EE1@ary.qy> <20181127023143.GD79319@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181127033118.GA86646@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: Victor Sudakov X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B1B668167A X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.97 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tomsk.su]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: admin.sibptus.ru]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.962,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.50)[ip: (-8.33), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.17), asn: 20473(0.09), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:47:45 -0000 John R. Levine wrote: >> Do you mean nobody cares? RFC6377 is dated September 2011, for all these >> years nobody has tried to do something about FreeBSD's MLM breaking >> signatures? > >Hey, the freebsd lists don't even limit posts to subscribers, which is >about the most basic list anti-spam technique there is. Last time I checked, they did (such a message was held for moderation). Or maybe not all freebsd lists. I'm not sure now that you have mentioned it. I just remember that a couple of times I happened to post to some freebsd list from a wrong E-mail address, and my message was held for moderation. >>> Indeed, but I wouldn't take everything it says too seriously. >> >> But a fix to the MLM should be pretty trivial too? > >Hahahahaha. The anti-DMARC hacks invented for various mailing lists range >from bad to truly horrible. There's plenty of info about them if you >look. I'm intrigued. As a person involved with all this stuff, can you recall a couple of truly horrible examples, or just suggest search keywords for me to find them on my own? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/