From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 02:03:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99095106564A for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:03:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Lowell@Be-Well.Ilk.Org) Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net [207.145.128.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691868FC12 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.49]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5ECA70253 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15220 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2011 01:43:23 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 8235, pid: 12719, t: 0.1677s scanners: clamav: 0.88.2/m:52/d:10739 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Oct 2011 01:43:23 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id CBE502E0DA; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:43:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Garance A Drosehn References: <201110020411.p924BPqn037383@chilled.skew.org> <86d3e4j777.fsf@ds4.des.no> <4E94BA41.2020907@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:43:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4E94BA41.2020907@FreeBSD.org> (Garance A. Drosehn's message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:50:57 -0400") Message-ID: <44d3e30yth.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:53:51 +0000 Cc: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Reasonable expectations of sysadmins X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:03:41 -0000 Garance A Drosehn writes: > FWIW: If I have a production server which has been up and running for > more than six months, I often reboot the machine *before* making some > significant change, just to make sure the machine is still in working > order before I make that change. I then make the change, and reboot > again. There are times where I have discovered problems in that first > reboot. In theory, this should never be helpful. In theory, there's no difference between practice and theory. In practice, um...