From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 3 13:41:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A3016A41F for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:41:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from duo@digitalarcadia.net) Received: from smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.95]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DDC443D45 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:41:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from duo@digitalarcadia.net) Received: (qmail 62765 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 13:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalarcadia.net) (du072@sbcglobal.net@70.225.75.244 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 13:41:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (monolith.digitalarcadia.net [10.0.1.74]) by digitalarcadia.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45E6251096 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:41:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436A1393.1030305@digitalarcadia.net> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:41:39 -0600 From: Duo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200511011704.04245.ringworm01@gmail.com> <1CB55B84-875D-4CEE-A8F3-A76C55BC6390@shire.net> In-Reply-To: <1CB55B84-875D-4CEE-A8F3-A76C55BC6390@shire.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New Logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:41:36 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: >>http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com/ >> >>Seems to me a fairly nice contribution to the project, >> >> > >It is all irrelevant. I am sure it is a nice book and Ted is >knowledgeable in a lot of areas I am sure. Neither he nor I are >members of the project and had a vote on whether or not to adopt a >logo and what that logo should be. > >Chad > > > Wow, I have been away from the list for a long time, but, let me jump in here as someone who has done logo design work, *and* has an appreciation for FreeBSD, and Ted. 1) Chad, *YOU* are highly irrelevant. Ted has been highly helpful to the community. Just because he isint part of the clique that makes decisions dosent invalidate his opinion. That's what Open Source is *all about*. Everyone gets a say, and, it may not necessarily get listened to, but, everyone gets their say. Was he saucy about it? Sure. But the person giving support to the really awful logo, also was supporting the really dead ended idea in the first place. 2) The simple (and original point, and yes, I *did* read the whole thread) point Ted made was: its disingenuous, and *wholly* idiotic, not to mention ignorant to a T to complain about the results you get, when you support a Really Dumb Idea(tm). In short, based on what I have read of your responses thus far, you negate your relevance, and your total worth, by trying to minimize *real* contributions to the community, in a lame attempt to elevate and pump up your flailing gonads. Community. Remember that word. C-O-M-M-U-N-I-T-Y. That means, as a group. And, as someone pointed out, Ted has made some really great contributions, which lend his opinion alot of weight. Where are yours? It dosent matter *what* the powers that be think. They have as much power, in the end, as the community *gives* them. Mambo turned out to be....not alot...without the community to support them. That's the part you are missing here. The FreeBSD community, by and large, has felt ignored on this issue. And, you missed that point as well. In closing, allow me to place upon you the stamp of "schmoe", and instruct you to move along. The logo is terrible. It looks like it was created by someone who took a weekend photoshop class, and wanted to use their new powers. It's awful. The font is a terrible throwback to 70's-early 80's style Atari magazine ads. Terrible design. Terrible. Dreadful. In short, this is a step *down* from professionalism. It looks like a baloon from Satan's Halloween party. It wont scale well, and what's more, despite the fact that we do live in an increasingly digital world, that will look like *utter crap* on paper, I feel. This logo will hopefully be retired soon. And, seeing as you are so hung up on credentials: I was taught lithography, typography, design and what prints/looks well by my father, who was the best Miller/Roland/Mehele repairman and engineer in the business. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Shut the hell up. =) Duo.