From owner-freebsd-java Wed Dec 12 2: 3:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from draco.macsch.com (draco.macsch.com [192.73.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E61F37B416 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 02:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailmuc.muc.eu.mscsoftware.com (mailmuc.muc.macsch.com [161.34.37.20]) by draco.macsch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25067; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from hunter.muc.macsch.com (hunter.muc.macsch.com [172.17.22.32]) by mailmuc.muc.eu.mscsoftware.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id fBCA3ZL15109; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:03:35 +0100 Received: from hunter.muc.macsch.com (localhost.muc.macsch.com [127.0.0.1]) by hunter.muc.macsch.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBCA3L501068; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:03:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Georg.Koltermann@mscsoftware.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:03:21 +0100 Message-ID: From: Georg-W Koltermann To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Cc: Bill Huey , absinthe@pobox.com, shanon loveridge , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: jdk1.3.1p5 In-Reply-To: <15382.39466.681160.346406@caddis.yogotech.com> References: <20011210001702.10731.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com> <20011210024138.GA3148@gnuppy> <20011209223635.A1152@absinthe> <15380.15272.167683.46148@caddis.yogotech.com> <20011211103039.GA8233@gnuppy> <15382.20310.915394.242516@caddis.yogotech.com> <20011211230538.GA2264@gnuppy> <15382.39466.681160.346406@caddis.yogotech.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.4.1 (Stand By Me) SEMI/1.13.7 (Awazu) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) Emacs/20.7 (i386--freebsd) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) Organization: MSC Software X-Attribution: gwk MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.7 - "Awazu") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:43:38 -0700, Nate Williams wrote: >=20 > > > I disagree, but we're all entitled to our own opinions. We don't need > > > HotSpot in order to be 'real'. > >=20 > > Well, not to pressure this point too much further, but the reason why > > I'm doing this in the first place is because of what I've heard in the > > general JVM community about the need for HotSpot under the BSDs and that > > this need is critical for their operations. >=20 > What's wrong with OpenJIT and TYA? HotSpot isn't the only JVM out > there. As a matter of fact, it isn't necessarily the fastest JVM out > there. Would it be a good investment of time to develop a real fast JVM for FreeBSD, instead of reusing Suns (Hotspot) JVM like everybody else does? Hotspot is in active development at Sun while the classic VM was dropped. I'd say we should follow suit just in order to reuse their effort and not spend time do duplicate their effort. I'm not technically involved with any JVM implementation, so I can't comment on which approach is technically superior. I am just suggesting that we should cooperate with the path taken by other JVM development/porting teams. =46rom a user's perspective Hotspot vs. classic is a real difference. Try to run an interactive tool like Together/J with a classic VM (I use FreeBSD JDK1.3.1/green-threads with OpenJIT) and then again with Hotspot (my colleague uses Linux with Sun's Hotspot VM). You will notice that working with this caliber of a Java application, and not having Hotspot, IS A REAL PAIN. --=20 Regards, Georg. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message