From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 01:37:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B034516A4CE for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3A843FDD for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:37:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from user-38lc14c.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.4.140] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1APIaj-0006IB-00; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:37:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3FC59E89.77203100@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:49:45 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Poul-Henning Kamp References: <46117.1069866997@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a47de339922189b2d1ad0d661e797293efa7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: requesting vinum help X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:37:46 -0000 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > With Greg being a core@ member, and well known for his ability to > talk an acturan megadonkey into taking a stroll after first having > talked its legs off about procedural issues, "Doing something about > vinum" is permanently on the "we should really..." list and everybody > hopes somebody else will "deal with it". Of course, in the eX-Mozilla-Status: 0009This isn't a completely fair statement. A lot of people "do something" about vinum: the break it by changing interfaces out from under it, while failing to adequately maintain vinum, or, in fact, other code which uses those same interfaces. There is no such thing as "bit rot"; there is only code that is unmaintained by the people who change interfaces out from under it. FreeBSD lost LFS, XNS, and a lot of other code to people who made interface changes, and then later claimed that the code suffered "bit rot", when in fact it was obsoleted by those people making that claim failing to get general buy-in for their code changes. FWIW, even though I support the idea of dynamically linking everything, the flipping of the switch there followed this same pattern. -- Terry