From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 23 11:06:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4613E16A4B3 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net (shockwave.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A2343FF5 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:06:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@thuvia.org) Received: from dotar.thuvia.org (81-178-247-38.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.247.38]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18E31C00F41; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:06:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from dotar.thuvia.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dotar.thuvia.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8NI6cPA054780; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:06:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@dotar.thuvia.org) Received: (from mark@localhost) by dotar.thuvia.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h8NI6bJu054779; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:06:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Message-Id: <200309231806.h8NI6bJu054779@dotar.thuvia.org> From: Mark Valentine Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:06:37 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 beta(5) 10/07/98) To: Rahul Siddharthan cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDCon photos X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:06:42 -0000 > From: Mark Valentine > Date: Tue 23 Sep, 2003 > Subject: Re: BSDCon photos > Last time I tried Opera it was at least as flaky and just, well, weird. Maybe > I should give it another try, it's been about a year. (Footnote: installed > Opera 6.12 [static] and it seems to run reasonably - didn't drop core until I > exited; anyway, it looks like I can now configure it into something not too > wasteful of screen space - apart from that banner ad - so I'll give it a spin > for a while.) Well, having given Opera another chance, it doesn't look like it passes muster just yet, though it's generally quite promising. Opera 6.12 installed easily enough and generally ran well, but a few things are still a regression from Netscape 4 for me: * mis-layout of tables for the my.yahoo.com page; * some strange rendering (e.g. of button fonts, creating large bold font buttons); * pop-up windows appearing in the wrong virtual desktop under olvwm; * annoying advertising pop-ups (no, I won't pay for their removal in the browser's current state); * one core dump during normal use in my short trial (and one every time I exit) - they're smaller than Netscape's, though! The 7.20 beta wouldn't run for me due to missing libawt - and no, I can't install the JRE port even if I delete the offending mtree file (at least it looks like the FreeBSD Foundation's binary package changes permissions even outside of its target installation directory), due to gtk dependencies. I'll keep it around and try to use it for a few more things, but I'll have to keep Netscape 4 for the tasks Opera doesn't quite hack it for yet. In short, all the whizzy new stuff Opera brings me (its general technical excellence and adherence to modern standards, some neat usability innovations) are of little consequence if it gets basic things wrong when applied to day-to-day tasks. Cheers, Mark. -- "Tigers will do ANYTHING for a tuna fish sandwich." "We're kind of stupid that way." *munch* *munch* --