From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 5 8:44:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from atlrel2.hp.com (atlrel2.hp.com [156.153.255.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19195152BB for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:44:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from postal.sr.hp.com (root@postal.sr.hp.com [15.4.46.173]) by atlrel2.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id LAA25447; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com (root@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by postal.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id IAA02046; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (darrylo@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by mina.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id IAA16737; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910051542.IAA16737@mina.sr.hp.com> To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Developer assessment (was Re: A bike shed ...) Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 Oct 1999 19:51:19 +0900." <37F9D827.93D22E39@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 08:42:56 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: > Why the hell does the clueless newbie hordes expects any answer when > posting a message to a list without reading the list charter and > without a single clue of how the list works is beyond me. No one's disputing this. In fact, I agree with you. > Of course, that's no reason to be impolite to these newbies. I'm > just explaining that they have no place here in this list, and > that's that. It's not a newbies list. Now, if the newbie in question > keeps inflicting his cluelessness upon us, he *will* get hammered > back. That just happens when you keep annoying people. There's the problem. While I agree with you about persistent, annoying, and utterly clueless newbies, I don't agree with the apparent sentiment (with which you may or may not agree) where all newbies (and not just in -hackers) should be flamed and roasted. I've seen perfectly innocent questions (asked once), from non-persistent/non-annoying newbies, get flamed in -questions. > I recall you complaining about being ignored three times. Heh. It wasn't me complaining. You need to go back and read the thread. > > This is, believe it or not, a reasonable > > question/belief/expectation. If it's really asked that commonly, why > > not turn it into a FAQ? > > That's actually a good idea. Tell you what, you read the previous > threads and prepare a good FAQ entry in docbook, send me the patches > and I'll commit it. I'll take you up on this, if you can guarantee that it'll show up on the FreeBSD web page FAQ in a reasonable period of time (say, preferably under two weeks, but definitely under a month). A couple of years ago, I did submit some FAQ entries, which seemingly took a geologically long period of time to appear in a useful location (the web page). And this is why I stopped writing FAQ entries: if I write a FAQ entry, I want it to be useful and made available to those who need it -- I don't want it to sit around buried in the repository, where only the people who don't need it have access to it. Of course, this was a couple of years ago, and things may have changed. However, as the FreeBSD FAQ still appears to say that it's for 2.X (it's confusing, actually), perhaps not. [ And, yes, I'm more than willing to submit proper docbook patches, if they'll be made available to newbies (e.g., on the web page FAQ) within a reasonable amount of time. ] -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message