From owner-freebsd-current Mon Dec 13 15: 2:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mailext12.compaq.com (mailext12.compaq.com [207.18.199.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E92715350; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:02:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: by mailext12.compaq.com (Postfix, from userid 12345) id D93D85795D; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:02:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailint01.im.hou.compaq.com (mailint01.compaq.com [207.18.199.34]) by mailext12.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45B854602; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:02:15 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailint01.im.hou.compaq.com (Postfix, from userid 12345) id CAFDD825EA; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:02:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (unknown [155.186.83.42]) by mailint01.im.hou.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1E778B43; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:02:08 -0600 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00926; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:34:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:34:52 -0600 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: Nate Williams , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired! Message-ID: <19991211123452.F760@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <199912102123.OAA21691@mt.sri.com> <199912110154.RAA04860@mass.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <199912110154.RAA04860@mass.cdrom.com>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 05:54:14PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 10 December 1999 at 17:54:14 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >>> If half as much energy was spent adding the missing bits of functionality >>> to the new systems as people have been spending complaining it then we'd be >>> there ages ago. >> >> Not true. It doesn't take a disk expert to complain about a policy, but >> it takes one to fix bugs/add features to the existing driver. :) :) :) > > That's ignoring the fact that it takes less energy to become enough of a > "disk expert" to do something useful than it takes to engage in the sort > of protracted whining that we're seeing. Using derogatory terminology doesn't alter the facts, it just alters people's view of you. We're not talking "whining" here, we're talking policy. And the policy has good, solid reasoning behind it, something we've seen precious little of in favour of immediately axing the wd driver. > It does take more foresight and commitment to actually doing > something though, and given the popularity of graffiti and mindless > vandalism these days perhaps that's just par for the course. By "graffiti and vandalism", are you referring to the Danish Axes? I wouldn't call that graffiti, and the Vandals are only distantly related to the Danes :-) Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message