From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 3 22:27:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E4A16A4DF for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:27:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from mail.ipt.ru (mail.ipt.ru [80.253.10.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E83743D73 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:27:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from srv.sem.ipt.ru ([192.168.12.1]) by mail.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.62 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1G8lf0-0006EB-Ve; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:27:23 +0400 Received: from bsam by srv.sem.ipt.ru with local (Exim 4.62 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1G8ldu-000MjC-9M; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:26:14 +0400 To: User Freebsd References: <20060803180553.B6529@ganymede.hub.org> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:26:14 +0400 In-Reply-To: <20060803180553.B6529@ganymede.hub.org> (User Freebsd's message of "Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:30:08 -0300 (ADT)") Message-ID: <61257481@srv.sem.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stand up and be counted - BSDStats Project X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:27:31 -0000 Hi Marc, On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:30:08 -0300 (ADT) you wrote: > Okay, there has been alot of discussion on this in the other thread, > some of it tangent'd to the original, so, I'm starting off a new > thread as a sort of summary ... Great idea, but should be introduced with care... > I've been doing some thinking on it this afternoon, and think I've > figured out about the simpliest way of doing it ... it still doesn't > deal with "fakers" and such, but, IMHO, I don't think that that is a > *huge* problem that needs to be addressed ... some might do it for a > lark, but, overall, it just sounds like something that is "more worth > then its worth", so over time, it should eventually balance out ... ...taking into consideration *why* do we want to do the stats. *If* we plan (and this is one of the goals of the project) to have those stats as a serious argument for a Big Business then we *must* prove that those numbers are not faked. Or even more strict: that those numbers can't (or even very, no VERY hard to) be faked. It's useless (as a serious argument) if it can be faked: imagine that a virus (warm or else) is written to fake it. [Can't comment on the rest right now, thus skipped] WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve