From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 08:56:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72F51065670 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 08:56:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630E48FC14 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 08:56:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6833D411; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:56:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4S8uqGt001826; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:56:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:56:51 +0200 From: Polytropon To: utisoft@gmail.com Message-Id: <20090528105651.0dcdc850.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Chris Rees Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:56:59 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 17:09:05 +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > Seriously, why give up on something because it takes an hour or two > out of your day, and carry on the ~seven minute > reboot-to-'Windows'-cycle out of laziness? Sounds counter-productive > and defeatist. The idea is that doing such "complicated" things in FreeBSD (and in UNIX in general) teaches things, gives experiences and helps solving oter problems on one's own later. I've often seen similar situations where my solution would be called too complex, but after that, I *learned* things, and this gave me the ability do do things better (faster!) now. So I may say: It's not always the final result that counts, but the way leading to it. Of course, to the average user, learning doesn't count. He is not interested in (1) how things work, (b) how things are done or (3) how things might be done better. He just wants the final result, and he wants it now (or yesterday). :-) I my own "printer journey", I had help from the de- list. With the upgrade to 7, apsfilter stopped working as intended. Functions A, B working; C D not working anymore. The help from the list made me have C and D, but A and B stopped then. Finally, I could combine apsfilter settings and several options for gs. Voila! A, B, C and D working again (as in FreeBSD 5). Would I have ever been able to solve such problems without having the need to learn something before? Definitely not. I'm happy I can read such "long instructions" about how to get stupid non-printers working with a standard compliant operating system, and I always save such instructions locally, because one day, I can solve a problem that the printer manufacturer can't (because he originated it by his lack of standard compliance). -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...